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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 18:23:50 GMT -5
Well be honest... you are not as high on any prospect as anyone else in this forum. At some point you've given up on everyone you've seen and wanted to throw them all down an elevator shaft. You are somewhat right especially with young pitchers who cannot throw strikes In Wright he has walked 35 in 40 MLB innings and we have more of a book on Touki who has walked 60 in 92 MLB innings. Touki has struggled with BB at every level he has pitched in even in the Arizona system, why do you think they would let him go one yr after he was picked reasonably high in the first round It boils down to one thing, you are part of the solutuion or part of the problem and theses two guys are part of the problem. I am not down on Anderson and its a matter of time with Mueller - see what he has And I have said that Pache and Waters should be untouchable. Would not be that crazy about moving Riley with his power potential. I want WINS not excuses of what one might be. If prospects can be used as currency than so be it - I don't want to dilly around with young pitchers who cannot throw strikes
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 18:39:14 GMT -5
Totally disagree on Wright. He's still not been given a regular opportunity, and church league is just too short to give him that, unless we fall apart over the next 10 days or so. Honestly, Touki hasn't been given a real opportunity, either. Newcomb, on the other hand, has. If I'm giving up on somebody right now, it's Newcomb. Wright scares the H out of me, the walks per IP is almost 9. To me he is like a used car that is better to be rid of while there is value instead of hanging on too long and you put dead money into something that is a sour lemon. And Touki, at what point have you not seen enough Newk, well, at least he was useful out of the pen, he seems mentally better suited to middle and long relief but does not have the mindset to be a starter. He should stay in the majors as a reliever. How long to you hang on to Wright and Touki, that is a fair question.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 30, 2020 19:21:23 GMT -5
Totally disagree on Wright. He's still not been given a regular opportunity, and church league is just too short to give him that, unless we fall apart over the next 10 days or so. Honestly, Touki hasn't been given a real opportunity, either. Newcomb, on the other hand, has. If I'm giving up on somebody right now, it's Newcomb. I agree. I actually gave up on Newcomb before last season even started. Strictly because the command issues have been there all through the minors too. He's just not going to fix that on a consistent enough basis.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Aug 30, 2020 19:53:56 GMT -5
Well be honest... you are not as high on any prospect as anyone else in this forum. At some point you've given up on everyone you've seen and wanted to throw them all down an elevator shaft. You are somewhat right especially with young pitchers who cannot throw strikes In Wright he has walked 35 in 40 MLB innings and we have more of a book on Touki who has walked 60 in 92 MLB innings. Touki has struggled with BB at every level he has pitched in even in the Arizona system, why do you think they would let him go one yr after he was picked reasonably high in the first round It boils down to one thing, you are part of the solutuion or part of the problem and theses two guys are part of the problem. I am not down on Anderson and its a matter of time with Mueller - see what he has And I have said that Pache and Waters should be untouchable. Would not be that crazy about moving Riley with his power potential. I want WINS not excuses of what one might be. If prospects can be used as currency than so be it - I don't want to dilly around with young pitchers who cannot throw strikes this. All of this.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 30, 2020 22:33:35 GMT -5
I am not somewhat right. I am 100% right that at some point you have given up on every player we have... this includes wanting to Freeman because he's old and about to decline.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 22:48:24 GMT -5
I am not somewhat right. I am 100% right that at some point you have given up on every player we have... this includes wanting to Freeman because he's old and about to decline. Where have I posted about giving up on Freeman. Whatever. I do blast players when they slump, for that you are 100 pct right. Freeman is one I have not posted harshly about cause there has been no reason to - maybe got on him for a slump but give up on don't think so
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 30, 2020 23:07:40 GMT -5
You posted we should trade him around 2017 years ago because the rebuild wasn't working and we should have gotten what we could for him because we were not winning anytime soon.
I stand by what I say about you negative folk.. you bag on everything and if you're right you claim I told you so, and if you're wrong it all gets washed under the table because everybody is happy we are winning.
Not from you, but there was someone here who said after game 5 this year that we just needed to face the fact that we were not a good team, lol
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 30, 2020 23:10:26 GMT -5
You posted we should trade him around 2017 years ago because the rebuild wasn't working and we should have gotten what we could for him because we were not winning anytime soon. I stand by what I say about you negative folk.. you bag on everything and if you're right you claim I told you so, and if you're wrong it all gets washed under the table because everybody is happy we are winning. Not from you, but there was someone here who said after game 5 this year that we just needed to face the fact that we were not a good team, lol Someone here said we should opt out of the season after Acuna, Albies and Soroka got hurt.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 30, 2020 23:13:24 GMT -5
Same person, I believe.
Shiz gets old.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 30, 2020 23:24:45 GMT -5
So I hear we're in on Clevinger, and as I noted previously they apparently want Waters and not a bag full of castoffs.
Who is in on giving up Waters and some other pieces for this deal?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 30, 2020 23:31:38 GMT -5
So I hear we're in on Clevinger, and as I noted previously they apparently want Waters and not a bag full of castoffs. Who is in on giving up Waters and some other pieces for this deal? I would much rather give up Wright than Waters, as much as I believe Wright will still come around.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 23:34:13 GMT -5
You posted we should trade him around 2017 years ago because the rebuild wasn't working and we should have gotten what we could for him because we were not winning anytime soon. I stand by what I say about you negative folk.. you bag on everything and if you're right you claim I told you so, and if you're wrong it all gets washed under the table because everybody is happy we are winning. Not from you, but there was someone here who said after game 5 this year that we just needed to face the fact that we were not a good team, lol At the time I might have posted that on the old board. It might have been in the off season either in 2016 or 17, hey that was a thought that was floating around not just by me. I was expecting him to possibly be moved not that I really wanted him to be gone And there were some who thought at the time he would be moved, not just fans who post on message boards but the man in the street fans who were totally put off by the plan at the time. And yes, in my opinion it seemed like the rebuild was not working at the time. I still think that Coppygate was a blessing in disguise but we have been through that before - that is my opinion and will stand by it I sure would not have said Freeman was in decline and too old cause even now he is not old. Hell, I think I have mellowed some but did see tonight as a Must win cause did not want Philly to be one skinny game behind us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 23:34:59 GMT -5
So I hear we're in on Clevinger, and as I noted previously they apparently want Waters and not a bag full of castoffs. Who is in on giving up Waters and some other pieces for this deal? Honestly not really in on it. I would understand it but do not like it Hell fan trade proposals are usually wanting to give up a bunch of castoffs, like maybe Camargo, Ender and Bryce Wilson but of course that is not happening
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 23:36:56 GMT -5
So I hear we're in on Clevinger, and as I noted previously they apparently want Waters and not a bag full of castoffs. Who is in on giving up Waters and some other pieces for this deal? I would much rather give up Wright than Waters, as much as I believe Wright will still come around. Do you really think that Wright will come around in this organization? At least as pitching development is right now Now if there are new faces brought in this off season yes, its reasonable to think Wright just might be much better I am not that closed minded on him cause his stuff and talent is highly regarded
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 31, 2020 1:23:37 GMT -5
I would much rather give up Wright than Waters, as much as I believe Wright will still come around. Do you really think that Wright will come around in this organization? At least as pitching development is right now Now if there are new faces brought in this off season yes, its reasonable to think Wright just might be much better I am not that closed minded on him cause his stuff and talent is highly regarded No I don't have faith in the pitching coaches in our system, at any level. But you have to change coaches and not just keep throwing really good prospects away. We've already lost too many as it is.
But I'd do it for Clevinger because then you've got a pitcher that's better than anything you could ever hope for Wright to be.
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