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Post by TomlinFoolery on Jul 27, 2020 20:58:40 GMT -5
per mark bowman on Twitter Mike Foltynewicz has been DFA'd and Chad Sobotka called take his roster spot. Braves look to officially be done with faultycantpitch.
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Post by PABraveFan on Jul 27, 2020 21:10:57 GMT -5
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 27, 2020 22:16:42 GMT -5
"Without Folty, Hamels and Hernandez, the Braves are down to Sean Newcomb and Kyle Wright as complements to Soroka and Fried. And while the likes of Jhoulys Chacin and Josh Tomlin carry plenty of experience as starters, Snitker said the Braves could use an opener instead of a traditional rotation option for the time being."
We have a lot of skanks in our pen still, so now we're going to get to see a lot of guys like Sobotka and Minter, who in typical young Braves pitcher fashion show a lot of flash here and there and get nothing positive done on a consistent basis.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 22:30:21 GMT -5
I hope they do not go the way of the opener
I still do not believe it will work out for the most part, it did in Tampa cause in the end they had some good pitchers. And young arms. Do not see it as a solution for most teams - if your pitching stinks the opener gimmick will not work
As for Folty, I am sure the decision was carefully weighed, how much more patience can you have
The decline of the fastball is one of the reasons for sure. It seems like a quick decision after one game but I am sure it was not done without thought and anaylization behind closed doors. Someone got fed up and was rubbed the wrong way
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Jul 27, 2020 22:41:20 GMT -5
I hope they do not go the way of the opener I still do not believe it will work out for the most part, it did in Tampa cause in the end they had some good pitchers. And young arms. Do not see it as a solution for most teams - if your pitching stinks the opener gimmick will not work As for Folty, I am sure the decision was carefully weighed, how much more patience can you have The decline of the fastball is one of the reasons for sure. It seems like a quick decision after one game but I am sure it was not done without thought and anaylization behind closed doors. Someone got fed up and was rubbed the wrong way Overall career, last year's horrid nlds game 5, the lack of improvement in spring training, loss of velo. And id be willing to bet Folty pitched yet another tantrum after he was taken out tonight. Lots of legitimate reasons for his deserved DFA.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 28, 2020 5:28:30 GMT -5
While you have to feel a bit for a guy getting cut, I'm glad it's over. The only thing he ever really had was a big arm, and that seems to be gone now. He doesn't have the mental makeup to be a consistent rotation piece, and Newk appears to be the same. The Hamels signing only adds to this disaster. Given this year's circumstances, it seems like the perfect time to go ahead and throw Wright and Anderson into the fire. Finally, somebody needs to start teaching these guys how to pitch. Our pitching development was once the best in baseball, but that obviously is no longer the case.
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Post by hokiedan on Jul 28, 2020 6:49:17 GMT -5
Tell me again why they let Anibal Sanchez go?
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 28, 2020 7:01:43 GMT -5
Tell me again why they let Anibal Sanchez go? Right? How bad was that decision? MLB teams have fallen in love with velocity over everything else. It's like the girlfriend who treats you like crap, but you'll still do anything to be with her. They push every kid to throw 95+ regardless of the injuries and wildness that go with it. You'd think velocity was the only possible way to get guys out.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Jul 28, 2020 7:25:59 GMT -5
While you have to feel a bit for a guy getting cut, I'm glad it's over. The only thing he ever really had was a big arm, and that seems to be gone now. He doesn't have the mental makeup to be a consistent rotation piece, and Newk appears to be the same. The Hamels signing only adds to this disaster. Given this year's circumstances, it seems like the perfect time to go ahead and throw Wright and Anderson into the fire. Finally, somebody needs to start teaching these guys how to pitch. Our pitching development was once the best in baseball, but that obviously is no longer the case. yeah in regards to the last part, someone on Twitter compiled a list of highly touted pitching prospects since 2015 who have flamed out or just never even showed any sign of a mlb future within the organization. The list was quite long and rather depressing. Lots of guys who seemingly had all the talent necessary, but just never came even close to what they were touted to be capable of. And it is that failure of developing pitchers that has me firmly believing the braves will eventually have to grow a set and part ways with a top prospect or two to acquire an established pitcher, or make a blockbuster FA signing if they truly desire to contend and make a serious playoff push instead of continuing to be one and done.
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Post by hokiedan on Jul 28, 2020 7:39:44 GMT -5
While you have to feel a bit for a guy getting cut, I'm glad it's over. The only thing he ever really had was a big arm, and that seems to be gone now. He doesn't have the mental makeup to be a consistent rotation piece, and Newk appears to be the same. The Hamels signing only adds to this disaster. Given this year's circumstances, it seems like the perfect time to go ahead and throw Wright and Anderson into the fire. Finally, somebody needs to start teaching these guys how to pitch. Our pitching development was once the best in baseball, but that obviously is no longer the case. yeah in regards to the last part, someone on Twitter compiled a list of highly touted pitching prospects since 2015 who have flamed out or just never even showed any sign of a mlb future within the organization. The list was quite long and rather depressing. Lots of guys who seemingly had all the talent necessary, but just never came even close to what they were touted to be capable of. And it is that failure of developing pitchers that has me firmly believing the braves will eventually have to grow a set and part ways with a top prospect or two to acquire an established pitcher, or make a blockbuster FA signing if they truly desire to contend and make a serious playoff push instead of continuing to be one and done.
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Post by hokiedan on Jul 28, 2020 7:45:06 GMT -5
yeah in regards to the last part, someone on Twitter compiled a list of highly touted pitching prospects since 2015 who have flamed out or just never even showed any sign of a mlb future within the organization. The list was quite long and rather depressing. Lots of guys who seemingly had all the talent necessary, but just never came even close to what they were touted to be capable of. And it is that failure of developing pitchers that has me firmly believing the braves will eventually have to grow a set and part ways with a top prospect or two to acquire an established pitcher, or make a blockbuster FA signing if they truly desire to contend and make a serious playoff push instead of continuing to be one and done. I agree...this business of trying to patch together a staff with old arms like Hamels and Hernandez...now Chacin just doesn't work. You can get lucky with an Anibal Sanchez once in a while, but the Braves need a top of the rotation guy to go with Soroka and Fried. You can deal with Wright or a Newcombe at the four or five spot...but you gotta have three studs at the top to have any chance.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 28, 2020 8:09:00 GMT -5
The problem with top free agents is that both the risk and the cost are extremely high. I looked at 2021 free agents, and there simply isn't anyone that you can really consider a certainty. Bauer, Kluber, Ray, and Pax ton are the top 4, and neither is particularly exciting to me.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Jul 28, 2020 8:26:25 GMT -5
The problem with top free agents is that both the risk and the cost are extremely high. I looked at 2021 free agents, and there simply isn't anyone that you can really consider a certainty. Bauer, Kluber, Ray, and Pax ton are the top 4, and neither is particularly exciting to me. which is why it hurts all the more when there is a solid acquisition to be made and they don't do it. The whole self reliant/develop from within approach the braves have used for so long has largely been fruitless and detrimental from a starting pitching standpoint.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 28, 2020 9:40:23 GMT -5
The problem with top free agents is that both the risk and the cost are extremely high. I looked at 2021 free agents, and there simply isn't anyone that you can really consider a certainty. Bauer, Kluber, Ray, and Pax ton are the top 4, and neither is particularly exciting to me. which is why it hurts all the more when there is a solid acquisition to be made and they don't do it. The whole self reliant/develop from within approach the braves have used for so long has largely been fruitless and detrimental from a starting pitching standpoint. Not $360 for Cole, I hope. The Wheeler contract, maybe. Wheeler is a Georgia boy and we were apparently never even involved. That was pretty disappointing to me.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 28, 2020 9:43:05 GMT -5
If you're gonna develop from within, you need to identify guys' strengths and teach them to pitch instead of trying to get them all throwing 1,000 mph. Teach them to PITCH. It's a radical idea, I know.
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