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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 21:00:24 GMT -5
On the Braves side of things, sort of reminds me of a few years ago when we picked another scrub pitcher in Jason Hursch with the next pick being who - Aaron Judge
This young left hander Jared Schuster was projected number 77, and has had an inconsistent college career. Seems raw with alot of work to do - 6.97 college ERA in two seasons and 5.2 walks per 9. Real reach, very questionable pick when there were better more polished players out there.
If Tyler Soderstrom (picked next to the A's) becomes a star, well, history repeats itself
I have never forgiven Frank Wren (GM at the time) for that Boo Boo back in 2013 (I think that was the year)
Other than Shane Langliers last yr, once again we go for another stinking pitcher again. As this game is going pitching is getting more and more irrelevant with openers, a parade of relievers etc. The days of real starters is getting to be a thing of the past
If I were a GM I would never take a pitcher in the first round the way the game is this day in time. For one thing most of them fail. And with few exceptions, the future of most of them is as an opener or in the pen. Why do you invest a first rounder in what equates to a special teamer in football, that is what pitching of today is.
Would have preferred an everyday player as a top pick, hitting is where the game is this day in time.
We just cannot keep blowing top picks time in and time out, when is the last time a Braves first round pick has amounted to anything. The only one that seems to be a star type is Soroka and maybe Riley for this past decade. I can think of Heyward and Minor in the 2000's - Wainwright well he was a Cardinal
At least we have developed some nice ITL players and guys in the later rounds. looking back the Braves have not been that great in the first round save for Chipper and Horner.
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 10, 2020 22:09:55 GMT -5
The fact that most of them fail is the reason you draft so many of them. It's also a lot less risky to sign a hitter as a free agent than it is a pitcher. That's the Braves' philosophy, and I don't necessarily disagree with it, plus you have to factor in signability and all the monetary factors. It's not as simple as saying some kid is a sure thing, because well, there's no such thing as a sure thing. For every Chipper Jones, there's a David Clyde.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 10, 2020 23:35:09 GMT -5
The fact that most of them fail is the reason you draft so many of them. It's also a lot less risky to sign a hitter as a free agent than it is a pitcher. That's the Braves' philosophy, and I don't necessarily disagree with it, plus you have to factor in signability and all the monetary factors. It's not as simple as saying some kid is a sure thing, because well, there's no such thing as a sure thing. For every Chipper Jones, there's a David Clyde. I agree with all that.
The only issue I had was that I heard he's a hard throwing lefty with a good change up and occasional control issues.
Don't we already have a couple of those in the big leagues already?
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 11, 2020 5:30:36 GMT -5
The fact that most of them fail is the reason you draft so many of them. It's also a lot less risky to sign a hitter as a free agent than it is a pitcher. That's the Braves' philosophy, and I don't necessarily disagree with it, plus you have to factor in signability and all the monetary factors. It's not as simple as saying some kid is a sure thing, because well, there's no such thing as a sure thing. For every Chipper Jones, there's a David Clyde. I agree with all that.
The only issue I had was that I heard he's a hard throwing lefty with a good change up and occasional control issues.
Don't we already have a couple of those in the big leagues already?
We sure do. It just shows you how valuable a hard throwing lefty is, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 16:57:58 GMT -5
When the Decatur HS kid who is a third baseman went off the board to the Cardinals, I was hoping for Soderstrom or the other catcher that was from Ohio State
Soderstrom was projected as a true first round pick and if they really wanted to go for pitching they could have taken the chance and taken that Kelly kid projected 12th.
Schuster, he did improve in the Cape Cod league but what does that mean. There were better prospects on the board.
As Uckery said, do we not have enough young pitchers with control issues, have we not had enough of them in recent years. Kyle Wright, this is a top 5 pick that had control issues and he is supposed to have the Top Rotation stuff, maybe he gets better the second time around
At this time this pick seems like a reach. His FB was in the low 90's but supposedly now hits 97. A real work in progress.
BTW, on my original post on Braves first rounders I forgot about the guy they picked 5th overall, an old friend by the name of Dale Murphy. Oh well, my bad. But historically, the Braves have been pretty bad in round one, guys like Pat Rocket, Key Dayley (mediocre) etc etc. Steve Avery might have been great (was good for 3 yrs) and ran into arm trouble young and was done before 30 - sad.
Young pitchers good thing I am not a GM they would drive me to the insane asylum. I would be chewing them out for mistakes every day
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 17:01:54 GMT -5
David Clyde -- now that is a text book story how NOT to handle your high profile first round picks.
And Billy Martin & Art Fowler would never be let near my team if I were a team owner
I like some of those old school guys but Martin was just a bad influence whenever he was. Reggie should have punched him in the teeth. Of course I grew up a Red Sox fan (still a RS/Braves fan) so hence my disdain for Martin
Love the old NYY Bobby Cox though that is how you treat men.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 11, 2020 18:02:32 GMT -5
The way we’re collecting young pitchers with “occasional” control issues makes me feel like one of those women who goes through their entire life collecting man after man with all kinds of problems, but the woman always thinks she can fix them....but it never works.
I am kind of including Newcomb and Fried in there, so there is a chance they’ll come around with their command. They were both better in 2019, especially Fried.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 18:42:40 GMT -5
The way we’re collecting young pitchers with “occasional” control issues makes me feel like one of those women who goes through their entire life collecting man after man with all kinds of problems, but the woman always thinks she can fix them....but it never works. I am kind of including Newcomb and Fried in there, so there is a chance they’ll come around with their command. They were both better in 2019, especially Fried. I am interested how Kyle Wright will be next year when we hope to have a full season in 2021 I might give anyone a pass on 2020 (according to our fearless leader Captain Rob we will have a season of some kind) On Fried, he did come around though the 4 plus ERA has to be improved and I think it can be done. He got alot of support, but hey he gave us more than well, I thought when he was pulling a near 6 ERA in AA four years ago. Last yr was his 8th professional season, a 2012 draftee who took 8 yrs to show something. So you never know As for Newk, we just have to find out what he is. Has had mixed results as a starter, a good BP piece last yr. The velocity is there, the stuff is there so you never know, one of these yrs who is to say he can have that special year. I took a look at sports reference and did not realize how bad we have drafted in the first round especially under Frank Wren. Too early to tell from Ian Anderson on.
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Post by wncbravesfan on Jun 11, 2020 19:04:51 GMT -5
MLB Draft @mlbdraft With their 3rd-round pick (No. 97 overall) of the 2020 #MLBDraft, the #Braves select @umichbaseball OF Jesse Franklin, No. 142 on the Top 200 Draft Prospects list: atmlb.com/3f9z5Nk
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Post by wncbravesfan on Jun 11, 2020 19:05:07 GMT -5
Braves need to draft good position players..... (Catcher comes to mind)
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 11, 2020 19:19:27 GMT -5
The way we’re collecting young pitchers with “occasional” control issues makes me feel like one of those women who goes through their entire life collecting man after man with all kinds of problems, but the woman always thinks she can fix them....but it never works. I am kind of including Newcomb and Fried in there, so there is a chance they’ll come around with their command. They were both better in 2019, especially Fried. I am interested how Kyle Wright will be next year when we hope to have a full season in 2021 I might give anyone a pass on 2020 (according to our fearless leader Captain Rob we will have a season of some kind) On Fried, he did come around though the 4 plus ERA has to be improved and I think it can be done. He got alot of support, but hey he gave us more than well, I thought when he was pulling a near 6 ERA in AA four years ago. Last yr was his 8th professional season, a 2012 draftee who took 8 yrs to show something. So you never know As for Newk, we just have to find out what he is. Has had mixed results as a starter, a good BP piece last yr. The velocity is there, the stuff is there so you never know, one of these yrs who is to say he can have that special year. I took a look at sports reference and did not realize how bad we have drafted in the first round especially under Frank Wren. Too early to tell from Ian Anderson on. Fried is still just 26 years old, he's only pitched 225 innings in the big leagues, and he had a 3.32 xFIP last year. He has a 9.55 K/9 innings rate in the big leagues. I think he's legit right now. He did have 17 wins last year, that should thrill you!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 19:54:38 GMT -5
Braves need to draft good position players..... (Catcher comes to mind) There were three catchers who were drafted shortly after Schuster Hope Langleirs and Contreras amount to something. Flowers will not be around that much longer. Maybe we will see Contreras by 2021. Not sure we will see guys up for a cup of coffee later in the yr given the covid shortened season
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 19:58:52 GMT -5
Fried is still just 26 years old, he's only pitched 225 innings in the big leagues, and he had a 3.32 xFIP last year. He has a 9.55 K/9 innings rate in the big leagues. I think he's legit right now. He did have 17 wins last year, that should thrill you! It took some time but yes, Fried is legit, and of course the 17-6 record did thrill me Of course he did have some real run support, and he was durable last yr. The 9.55 K's are good and I do think the ERA can get into the good 3.25 to 3.50 range. And I do take into account the TJ surgery that cost him all of 2015 and most of his early development. He struggled in AA and got much better. 17 W in todays game is something else - hey 15 is the new 20 in this century
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Post by wncbravesfan on Jun 11, 2020 20:34:56 GMT -5
Mark Bowman @mlbbowman The Braves took Clemson RHP Spencer Strider in the fourth round. He's a draft-eligible sophomore who missed all of 2019 recovering from Tommy John surgery.
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Post by wncbravesfan on Jun 11, 2020 20:43:22 GMT -5
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