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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 27, 2019 14:42:16 GMT -5
Here's how I look at Snitker....He's a good regular season manager. His back-slapping-players-first-I've-got-your-back style is perfect when you're grinding through 162 games. Yeah, he makes some bad decisions, but over that many games, everybody does, and it evens out. His biggest flaw during the regular season is playing his starters too much, and that's not a good flaw to have, and if you couple that with his weaknesses as a tactician, that's why he's a bad postseason manager. If I were a manager, I probably wouldn't start anybody more than 140-145 games especially if they're over 30 years old or have had injuries. His insistence on using Luke in high leverage situations after the All Star break was insane to me. Luke had something like a 6.55 ERA after the break, he was horrible, but Snitker kept using him. That cost us a couple of games, and Snitker was going to use him in the 9th in one of the playoff games but we scored some runs and dodged a bullet. That is where Snit's being a player manager has its pitfalls. He was probably trying to get Luke back to the Luke who was pretty dominant the first couple of months, so he would be able to count on him should we need him in the playoffs. Can't blame him too much for that. But in the playoffs, Snit should have gone with better options (Luke should not have even been on the roster). His post ASB performance should have been enough to know he could not be counted on. For that, Snit deserves some heat.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 27, 2019 16:31:54 GMT -5
His insistence on using Luke in high leverage situations after the All Star break was insane to me. Luke had something like a 6.55 ERA after the break, he was horrible, but Snitker kept using him. That cost us a couple of games, and Snitker was going to use him in the 9th in one of the playoff games but we scored some runs and dodged a bullet. That is where Snit's being a player manager has its pitfalls. He was probably trying to get Luke back to the Luke who was pretty dominant the first couple of months, so he would be able to count on him should we need him in the playoffs. Can't blame him too much for that. But in the playoffs, Snit should have gone with better options (Luke should not have even been on the roster). His post ASB performance should have been enough to know he could not be counted on. For that, Snit deserves some heat. Exactly
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Post by Cheaters2 on Nov 27, 2019 18:04:43 GMT -5
Do you think that rotation decision is the only reason why people may doubt Snitker? Agree or not, people mentioned things all season long that made them doubt Snitker so I wouldn't try and reduce that argument down to this one thing. and again manager of the year In 2018. Won a best Manager award In 2019 and was a finalist for manager of the year in 2019...its amazing how people inside the game and business see him so different than arm chair analytics guy
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Post by Cheaters2 on Nov 27, 2019 18:10:11 GMT -5
That is where Snit's being a player manager has its pitfalls. He was probably trying to get Luke back to the Luke who was pretty dominant the first couple of months, so he would be able to count on him should we need him in the playoffs. Can't blame him too much for that. But in the playoffs, Snit should have gone with better options (Luke should not have even been on the roster). His post ASB performance should have been enough to know he could not be counted on. For that, Snit deserves some heat. Exactly Snit has to use the guys his GM gives him and he can't control Martin going down. My only fault with Snitker is I believe DK should not have gotten a start in Playoffs. I'd went Folty, Fried and Soroka as my starters in that order. But I still think we lost the series because of Acuna not running. Snit should have pulled a Lou Pinella and fought Acuna I. Clubhouse
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 27, 2019 19:10:29 GMT -5
You love to whip out the "analytics guy" insult but it really does not apply here at all.
Since you want to go there though and keep bringing it up, there isn't one darn "analytic" involved with running your star with the gimpy wrist back out there the night after he left the game because of same gimpy wrist that had been gimping him for 45 days... while the division was basically already sewn up.
In fact... There are many reasons to doubt Snit that have nothing to do with "analytics" unless you count Neck's batting average (or should I say lack thereof) as an advanced stat.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 27, 2019 19:32:58 GMT -5
Do you think that rotation decision is the only reason why people may doubt Snitker? Agree or not, people mentioned things all season long that made them doubt Snitker so I wouldn't try and reduce that argument down to this one thing. and again manager of the year In 2018. Won a best Manager award In 2019 and was a finalist for manager of the year in 2019.. .its amazing how people inside the game and business see him so different than arm chair analytics guylol....that award is voted on by the BBWAA, the baseball writer's association of America. If you don't know how clueless most baseball writers are you don't read much from them. Remember they pick their favorites every year to win it all and fail miserably. When they see the Braves winning division titles they assume it's the manager because in the writers minds the Braves weren't very good, so it MUST be the manager.....and secondly they hear the players like Snitker so they want to give him all the credit.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Nov 27, 2019 23:25:17 GMT -5
and again manager of the year In 2018. Won a best Manager award In 2019 and was a finalist for manager of the year in 2019.. .its amazing how people inside the game and business see him so different than arm chair analytics guylol....that award is voted on by the BBWAA, the baseball writer's association of America. If you don't know how clueless most baseball writers are you don't read much from them. Remember they pick their favorites every year to win it all and fail miserably. When they see the Braves winning division titles they assume it's the manager because in the writers minds the Braves weren't very good, so it MUST be the manager.....and secondly they hear the players like Snitker so they want to give him all the credit. and those writers are on the inside of the business and know what the players and others think. Snit won over 90 games with no BP no closer and only 2 legit starters. And 2catchers who played zero defence.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Nov 27, 2019 23:28:15 GMT -5
You love to whip out the "analytics guy" insult but it really does not apply here at all. Since you want to go there though and keep bringing it up, there isn't one darn "analytic" involved with running your star with the gimpy wrist back out there the night after he left the game because of same gimpy wrist that had been gimping him for 45 days... while the division was basically already sewn up. In fact... There are many reasons to doubt Snit that have nothing to do with "analytics" unless you count Neck's batting average (or should I say lack thereof) as an advanced stat. when a guy is a star you run him out there when he wants to go out there. If the player says he is good to go you accept him at his Word... And that star said his wrist had nothing to do with his performance
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 27, 2019 23:33:39 GMT -5
lol....that award is voted on by the BBWAA, the baseball writer's association of America. If you don't know how clueless most baseball writers are you don't read much from them. Remember they pick their favorites every year to win it all and fail miserably. When they see the Braves winning division titles they assume it's the manager because in the writers minds the Braves weren't very good, so it MUST be the manager.....and secondly they hear the players like Snitker so they want to give him all the credit. and those writers are on the inside of the business and know what the players and others think. Snit won over 90 games with no BP no closer and only 2 legit starters. And 2catchers who played zero defence. lol, you crack me up.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 28, 2019 7:49:23 GMT -5
You love to whip out the "analytics guy" insult but it really does not apply here at all. Since you want to go there though and keep bringing it up, there isn't one darn "analytic" involved with running your star with the gimpy wrist back out there the night after he left the game because of same gimpy wrist that had been gimping him for 45 days... while the division was basically already sewn up. In fact... There are many reasons to doubt Snit that have nothing to do with "analytics" unless you count Neck's batting average (or should I say lack thereof) as an advanced stat. when a guy is a star you run him out there when he wants to go out there. If the player says he is good to go you accept him at his Word... And that star said his wrist had nothing to do with his performance Nope. That's why you have a manager. Players can't be trusted in situations like that, especially guys like Freeman who want to play every day.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 28, 2019 8:58:37 GMT -5
when a guy is a star you run him out there when he wants to go out there. If the player says he is good to go you accept him at his Word... And that star said his wrist had nothing to do with his performance No you don't. That is an incredibly dumb comment. The manager is there to decide when players play and is responsible for making decisions to keep players healthy and fresh. Stars also rarely go around giving excuses... almost never will a guy like Freeman blame an injury. I get that you will say anything to defend Snitker, but you can't honestly believe what you wrote. Well... maybe you can really believe it... yikes.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on May 16, 2021 17:00:28 GMT -5
Okay....
Seriously Snitker..
WHAT THE EFF IS WRONG WITH YOU???
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 16, 2021 18:10:56 GMT -5
We're getting near the point in the season also where it's questionable whether every one of our core players should be starting every single day.
We go through this every season with Snitker.
Our guys are probably not getting worn down yet, but within the next 3-4 weeks that can start if the weather gets warmer and they all keep starting every day.
The other side to that coin is keeping your bench bats sharp.
This has been an issue every year with Snitker.
Once in awhile you'll run across a player who stays hot while only getting 3-6 AB's a week, but eventually even that guy will go stone cold.
You can't expect ANYONE to get a few AB's per week and stay sharp, and then expect that guy to come up to pinch hit in the bottom of the ninth of a one run game and deliver.
But we do that.
Adrianza was hot all through spring training and the first several weeks of the season, he had an OPS of 1.041 and then was relegated to 10 AB's over the next two weeks. He dropped 250 points in OPS and has dropped another 120 more now. And he's only getting these AB's now because of Acuna being hurt. You can't do that to the best hitters in the game......so what do you think is going to happen when you take average or less than average hitters and limit their AB's? It's especially stupid when they're actually hitting, but that's Snitker for you.
Heredia is next--now that Ender got a big hit today, he'll be in the starting lineup the next ten games. And if Acuna stays out of the lineup, Ender will probably be batting first. Snitker gets moist just dreaming about batting Ender leadoff again.
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Post by keystone61 on May 18, 2021 21:51:45 GMT -5
Snit isn't very good at managing the roster. Things like keeping guys sharp, handling the pitching staff, and putting guys in position to be successful are important. He does none of those things well. He's not the type of guy who can light a fire under guys and motivate them, either. Is it time to go? Maybe, but that doesn't mean firing him. If he retired, I'd be fine with that, but that ain't happening.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 22:01:44 GMT -5
I have been a Snitker fan, you do not win 3 division titles and last 5 plus yrs in this job not doing some things right
Not to mention being one win away from the WS vs what was a great loaded LAD team
But the way this is, its all a what have you done for me lately results driven business
As things have turned these last 2 months, this is a group that is not responding to Snit's leadership and a serious fire is needed to light under some of these guys
In essence its some of his players who are letting their beloved leader down but its really to the point where its time for a change
Will it be the right move? Who knows the next guy could be worse but change for change sake is needed for this roster for this yr - I want something done to at least try to save this season
The players are having a bad yr and the manager is having a bad season that is a fair assessment
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