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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 27, 2019 11:22:39 GMT -5
Do you think that rotation decision is the only reason why people may doubt Snitker? Agree or not, people mentioned things all season long that made them doubt Snitker so I wouldn't try and reduce that argument down to this one thing. So, do you think we are incapable of winning a World Series with Snit at the helm?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 27, 2019 11:37:32 GMT -5
Do you think that rotation decision is the only reason why people may doubt Snitker? Agree or not, people mentioned things all season long that made them doubt Snitker so I wouldn't try and reduce that argument down to this one thing. So, do you think we are incapable of winning a World Series with Snit at the helm? I think we could win with him but the players would have to overcome some of his gaffes in the process to do it. They’ve done that several times over the last two regular seasons, they’d just have to do it in the playoffs. I think it’s tougher in the playoffs because things are so magnified and there’s so much pressure.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 27, 2019 11:45:03 GMT -5
So, do you think we are incapable of winning a World Series with Snit at the helm? I think we could win with him but the players would have to overcome some of his gaffes in the process to do it. They’ve done that several times over the last two regular seasons, they’d just have to do it in the playoffs. I think it’s tougher in the playoffs because things are so magnified and there’s so much pressure. Fair enough. Like any other manager, he has his pros and he has his cons.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 27, 2019 12:00:15 GMT -5
I think we could win with him but the players would have to overcome some of his gaffes in the process to do it. They’ve done that several times over the last two regular seasons, they’d just have to do it in the playoffs. I think it’s tougher in the playoffs because things are so magnified and there’s so much pressure. Fair enough. Like any other manager, he has his pros and he has his cons. I agree. I've always acknowledged there's a lot of importance in how he handles the players on a personal level. I just criticize tactical moves I can see because it's the only tangible thing we have. We can hear stories or reports of the players talking about how much they love playing for Snitker, but we can't actually grasp that, it's second hand. But the moves, we can see those. I'm not thrilled with him overall but I've also never said he should be fired. I've called him a moron in the heat of the moment, but I don't think he is one. I don't have any names off the top of my head I'd rather see managing our team, but I could probably think of a couple if I really thought about it. My real desire is to see Chipper as our manager, and the sooner the better, I think he has a great baseball mind and should be really good. Maybe David Ross getting the Cubs job will inspire Chipper!
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 27, 2019 12:04:22 GMT -5
Do you think that rotation decision is the only reason why people may doubt Snitker? Agree or not, people mentioned things all season long that made them doubt Snitker so I wouldn't try and reduce that argument down to this one thing. So, do you think we are incapable of winning a World Series with Snit at the helm? No, but he's not really going to help them out with any managerial decisions. He will probably be a bit of a hindrance, but we can still win one. I notice though you didn't answer the question I asked.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 27, 2019 12:24:32 GMT -5
So, do you think we are incapable of winning a World Series with Snit at the helm? No, but he's not really going to help them out with any managerial decisions. He will probably be a bit of a hindrance, but we can still win one. I notice though you didn't answer the question I asked. Yes, like every other manager, Snit makes questionable decisions. But personally, I think his pros outweigh his cons. I think we are much better off now than we were five years ago, and I think he is a part of the reason.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 27, 2019 12:25:17 GMT -5
Fair enough. Like any other manager, he has his pros and he has his cons. I agree. I've always acknowledged there's a lot of importance in how he handles the players on a personal level. I just criticize tactical moves I can see because it's the only tangible thing we have. We can hear stories or reports of the players talking about how much they love playing for Snitker, but we can't actually grasp that, it's second hand. But the moves, we can see those. I'm not thrilled with him overall but I've also never said he should be fired. I've called him a moron in the heat of the moment, but I don't think he is one. I don't have any names off the top of my head I'd rather see managing our team, but I could probably think of a couple if I really thought about it. My real desire is to see Chipper as our manager, and the sooner the better, I think he has a great baseball mind and should be really good. Maybe David Ross getting the Cubs job will inspire Chipper! I've always seen Chipper as the ultimate hitting coach.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 27, 2019 12:45:48 GMT -5
Only issue with that is Soroka would have pitched game 4 with only 3 days rest. If I were Snit, I would have had this rotation... Soroka Keuchel Folty Fried Soroka Then I would have had Keuchel for Game 1 of the NLCS on full days rest. I could have lived with that three days rest for Soroka and then had him ready for game 1 of the NLCS. You would have blown his arm off before the WS even started, lol.
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Post by hokiedan on Nov 27, 2019 12:55:54 GMT -5
I agree. I've always acknowledged there's a lot of importance in how he handles the players on a personal level. I just criticize tactical moves I can see because it's the only tangible thing we have. We can hear stories or reports of the players talking about how much they love playing for Snitker, but we can't actually grasp that, it's second hand. But the moves, we can see those. I'm not thrilled with him overall but I've also never said he should be fired. I've called him a moron in the heat of the moment, but I don't think he is one. I don't have any names off the top of my head I'd rather see managing our team, but I could probably think of a couple if I really thought about it. My real desire is to see Chipper as our manager, and the sooner the better, I think he has a great baseball mind and should be really good. Maybe David Ross getting the Cubs job will inspire Chipper! I've always seen Chipper as the ultimate hitting coach. Not many Hall of Fame players have gone on to become good managers
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 27, 2019 13:09:07 GMT -5
No, but he's not really going to help them out with any managerial decisions. He will probably be a bit of a hindrance, but we can still win one. I notice though you didn't answer the question I asked. Yes, like every other manager, Snit makes questionable decisions. But personally, I think his pros outweigh his cons. I think we are much better off now than we were five years ago, and I think he is a part of the reason. lmbo... so you answered "yes" to my question "Do you think that rotation decision is the only reason why people may doubt Snitker?" Trust me... it's much, much more than that.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 27, 2019 13:23:30 GMT -5
Yes, like every other manager, Snit makes questionable decisions. But personally, I think his pros outweigh his cons. I think we are much better off now than we were five years ago, and I think he is a part of the reason. lmbo... so you answered "yes" to my question "Do you think that rotation decision is the only reason why people may doubt Snitker?" Trust me... it's much, much more than that. No. I was agreeing that there was a lot of questioning of Snit's moves during the year … some justified, some not. It's probably pretty common amongst most teams, though.
As far as the playoffs, the rotation decision seems to be the main source of angst about him and his ability to lead us … at least that's what I gather from most of the comments. I don't recall too many other specific "gaffes" mentioned concerning the way he managed the NLDS. Again, when I look back at this particular postseason shortcoming, Game Four and the missed opportunities to score late and put the clinching game away is what will stick with me as to the main reason why we didn't advance.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 27, 2019 13:54:45 GMT -5
I could have lived with that three days rest for Soroka and then had him ready for game 1 of the NLCS. You would have blown his arm off before the WS even started, lol. Bah, he's a young kid, he could pitch two days in a row! Back in my day I pitched every other day, and I'm not kidding! I blew out my rotator cuff and ruined my career, but I pitched three times a week for a couple of years!
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 27, 2019 13:56:43 GMT -5
lmbo... so you answered "yes" to my question "Do you think that rotation decision is the only reason why people may doubt Snitker?" Trust me... it's much, much more than that. No. I was agreeing that there was a lot of questioning of Snit's moves during the year … some justified, some not. It's probably pretty common amongst most teams, though.
As far as the playoffs, the rotation decision seems to be the main source of angst about him and his ability to lead us … at least that's what I gather from most of the comments. I don't recall too many other specific "gaffes" mentioned concerning the way he managed the NLDS. Again, when I look back at this particular postseason shortcoming, Game Four and the missed opportunities to score late and put the clinching game away is what will stick with me as to the main reason why we didn't advance.
I had several other moves I didn't like, but I get tired of harping on the same ones over and over and over. I still do harp, but eventually I do get tired of it.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 27, 2019 14:03:08 GMT -5
Here's how I look at Snitker....He's a good regular season manager. His back-slapping-players-first-I've-got-your-back style is perfect when you're grinding through 162 games. Yeah, he makes some bad decisions, but over that many games, everybody does, and it evens out. His biggest flaw during the regular season is playing his starters too much, and that's not a good flaw to have, and if you couple that with his weaknesses as a tactician, that's why he's a bad postseason manager. If I were a manager, I probably wouldn't start anybody more than 140-145 games especially if they're over 30 years old or have had injuries.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 27, 2019 14:08:22 GMT -5
Here's how I look at Snitker....He's a good regular season manager. His back-slapping-players-first-I've-got-your-back style is perfect when you're grinding through 162 games. Yeah, he makes some bad decisions, but over that many games, everybody does, and it evens out. His biggest flaw during the regular season is playing his starters too much, and that's not a good flaw to have, and if you couple that with his weaknesses as a tactician, that's why he's a bad postseason manager. If I were a manager, I probably wouldn't start anybody more than 140-145 games especially if they're over 30 years old or have had injuries. His insistence on using Luke in high leverage situations after the All Star break was insane to me. Luke had something like a 6.55 ERA after the break, he was horrible, but Snitker kept using him. That cost us a couple of games, and Snitker was going to use him in the 9th in one of the playoff games but we scored some runs and dodged a bullet.
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