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Aug 17, 2019 17:19:57 GMT -5
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Post by Cheaters2 on Aug 17, 2019 17:19:57 GMT -5
With the struggles of the BP would the braves be better off following Tampa and using an Opener. Think about it Newk, Jackson, Touki, Wilson. Are all starters and have a comfort level there. Other than Folty all of our starters are mentally strong and should have no issue coming in a game in the 3rd and finishing it. Also it would allow the braves to base a opener on the opponents starting order. Me I would Leave Touki at AAA and bring up a LH that way we have 2 of each at opener which would really help with lefty righty matchups
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Aug 17, 2019 17:24:48 GMT -5
Post by mauibravefan on Aug 17, 2019 17:24:48 GMT -5
What have you been smoking? ? This is a Traditional Team mister!
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Aug 17, 2019 22:25:03 GMT -5
Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 17, 2019 22:25:03 GMT -5
This isn't the first time you've suggested this, and all i can do is shake my head.
Teheran is mentally strong?
Jackson is a starter? Since when?
We might go 3-4 starters in a playoff series... We know we are going to get 6 or 7 at most out of our starters anyway and will need all of our relief corp in ya know... actual relief.
This notion for this team is just bizzare.
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Aug 18, 2019 7:26:18 GMT -5
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Post by Cheaters2 on Aug 18, 2019 7:26:18 GMT -5
This isn't the first time you've suggested this, and all i can do is shake my head. Teheran is mentally strong? Jackson is a starter? Since when? We might go 3-4 starters in a playoff series... We know we are going to get 6 or 7 at most out of our starters anyway and will need all of our relief corp in ya know... actual relief. This notion for this team is just bizzare. my bad on Jackson for some reason I thought he had been a starter.. As for the idea it is a good one and I am not the only one who is talking about it.... tomahawktake.com/2019/08/17/opening-possible-bullpen-solution-atlanta-braves/amp/
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Aug 18, 2019 9:35:46 GMT -5
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 18, 2019 9:35:46 GMT -5
Just because you picked up the idea from somewhere else and ran with it, doesn't mean it's a good idea.
I read this same thing from Fansided before you posted it, and thought the same thing then as I do now.
It basically says hey a great way to deal with our bad bullpen is to have a game where we use these guys you noted like the Rays did.
It doesn't however mention that the Rays did it a lot because they had no true starters, and doesn't say one thing about what we do with Soroka, Fried, Keuchel, Teheran, and Folty. Tell me how it applies to game 1 of a playoff series with Soroka in line to start...
It's pretty non-sensical in regards to our situation.
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Aug 18, 2019 9:50:19 GMT -5
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 18, 2019 9:50:19 GMT -5
Many moons ago, Chuck Tanner was the first I can remember suggesting this type of thing. I don't remember exactly what it was, but I think it was 3 pitchers for 3 innings each. Who would have thought this would ever come to fruition? I'll stand by what I've been saying forever, and that is to start teaching kids to PITCH again and get away from this obsession with velocity.
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Aug 18, 2019 10:17:18 GMT -5
Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 18, 2019 10:17:18 GMT -5
Sorry... I'm going to roll with Soroka, Keuchel, and Fried going 6 or 7 and then using a pen like normal instead of starting Touki and then bringing in Soroka in the 3rd for only 2 or 3 innings, and then god knows who after that. If we use all 3 of them in game one then who do we have for game two?
You can't do this without about 8 guys outside of our top 3 starters who can be trusted, and we don't have that. Plus we would all of a sudden ask our only effective pitchers to do something they haven't done all year.
I just don't see anyway this works with our situation. You have to have a bunch of effective short stint guys to make this work, and that is exactly what we don't have.
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Aug 18, 2019 20:51:58 GMT -5
Post by bravter on Aug 18, 2019 20:51:58 GMT -5
Even if we did this it wouldn't work as well considering that we're a NL team, and that's not me plugging for a DH either.
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Aug 19, 2019 15:28:17 GMT -5
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Post by Cheaters2 on Aug 19, 2019 15:28:17 GMT -5
Sorry... I'm going to roll with Soroka, Keuchel, and Fried going 6 or 7 and then using a pen like normal instead of starting Touki and then bringing in Soroka in the 3rd for only 2 or 3 innings, and then god knows who after that. If we use all 3 of them in game one then who do we have for game two? You can't do this without about 8 guys outside of our top 3 starters who can be trusted, and we don't have that. Plus we would all of a sudden ask our only effective pitchers to do something they haven't done all year. I just don't see anyway this works with our situation. You have to have a bunch of effective short stint guys to make this work, and that is exactly what we don't have. but it wouldn't be Sorka for 3 innings he would hopefully go the last 7 unless he got in trouble. He would still throw his 100 pitches
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Aug 19, 2019 15:45:03 GMT -5
Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 19, 2019 15:45:03 GMT -5
So we blow the game in the innings 1-2 instead of innings 7, 8, or 9?
If these openers can get outs in innings 1, 2, or 3.. they can get them in the 7th, 8th, and 9th.
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Aug 29, 2019 15:39:09 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 15:39:09 GMT -5
This garbage of the opener is a gimmick, never was what baseball ever was or should be and I hope it never works to any sustained success
I hope Tampa Bay never makes the playoffs with the way they are the first on board to use 21st century gimmicks
Man, I miss 20th century baseball it was a better game. This opener crap will go away the fads of Disco, mood rings and cabbage patch dolls went out
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Aug 29, 2019 15:42:58 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 15:42:58 GMT -5
Many moons ago, Chuck Tanner was the first I can remember suggesting this type of thing. I don't remember exactly what it was, but I think it was 3 pitchers for 3 innings each. Who would have thought this would ever come to fruition? I'll stand by what I've been saying forever, and that is to start teaching kids to PITCH again and get away from this obsession with velocity. Teaching kids how to pitch again, that is something that can be done again, historically it worked and can be done again Sad some of these kids get ruined before they even get the chance to be pros, travel ball does not help Chuck Tanner, one of the managerial mediocrities of the past, did nothing after the magical yr of the 79 Pirates. He was horrible with the Braves, his reputation was overrated
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Aug 29, 2019 16:09:43 GMT -5
Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 29, 2019 16:09:43 GMT -5
Chuck Tanner was a drunk.
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Aug 30, 2019 16:50:32 GMT -5
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Post by Cheaters2 on Aug 30, 2019 16:50:32 GMT -5
Toronto just did it to the braves and it did work because braves hitters never got comfortable and Jay's were using throw away pitchers not legit big leaguers. The main reason I like it is the opposing manager can't bring in lefties to hit righties in the early innings so you can fix it to where you have an advantage in the early innings
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Aug 30, 2019 19:29:07 GMT -5
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 30, 2019 19:29:07 GMT -5
Toronto just did it to the braves and it did work because braves hitters never got comfortable and Jay's were using throw away pitchers not legit big leaguers. The main reason I like it is the opposing manager can't bring in lefties to hit righties in the early innings so you can fix it to where you have an advantage in the early innings Toronto did it when they had no real good starter options. As far as it "worked"... the second time they tried it, we scored 9 runs.
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