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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 16, 2019 17:10:02 GMT -5
True, I just got bored with it a long time ago. My work kicks into high gear very soon, but for now I have a lot of free time during the day. Luckily for me I'm a better talent evaluator when it comes to people who post on the internet than AA is when it comes to baseball.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Sept 17, 2019 14:01:49 GMT -5
Other than JD nothing he has done is a difference maker. If you don't think Joyce has been a crucial piece for us and that adding those relievers has helped us substantially, then you either no nothing about baseball or are being intentionally obtuse. Plus let's clarify.. you said the team had received a dagger to the heart and the only hope was to immediately cut the pitchers that AA had signed and bring up a bunch of minor leaguers. you are right I was wrong about the dagger I under estimated Snitker he should be manager of the yr again for keeping it together... Joyce has been good.. But my thing is we would have won division even if AA made no moves other than JD. And Joyce was a low risk deal it didn't require talent evaluation.
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Post by keystone61 on Sept 18, 2019 6:32:52 GMT -5
If you don't think Joyce has been a crucial piece for us and that adding those relievers has helped us substantially, then you either no nothing about baseball or are being intentionally obtuse. Plus let's clarify.. you said the team had received a dagger to the heart and the only hope was to immediately cut the pitchers that AA had signed and bring up a bunch of minor leaguers. you are right I was wrong about the dagger I under estimated Snitker he should be manager of the yr again for keeping it together... Joyce has been good.. But my thing is we would have won division even if AA made no moves other than JD. And Joyce was a low risk deal it didn't require talent evaluation. Win the division? Possibly, but with the way the bullpen was imploding, that's highly doubtful. Assuming we did, though, we wouldn't be in nearly as strong a position as we're in now. Saying Joyce required no evaluation is just your way of negating anything AA does, so that's not even worth addressing.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Sept 18, 2019 12:26:54 GMT -5
you are right I was wrong about the dagger I under estimated Snitker he should be manager of the yr again for keeping it together... Joyce has been good.. But my thing is we would have won division even if AA made no moves other than JD. And Joyce was a low risk deal it didn't require talent evaluation. Win the division? Possibly, but with the way the bullpen was imploding, that's highly doubtful. Assuming we did, though, we wouldn't be in nearly as strong a position as we're in now. Saying Joyce required no evaluation is just your way of negating anything AA does, so that's not even worth addressing. Joyce has a track record he has been around a long time. There is a large book on what he is. And as far as saying we are better in BP than we would have been I hope we are but until we play in post season we really don't know. How can anyone think we have a shut down closer. I still believe we traded better players than what we got. But I think what has been the biggest fault of AA is he hired the wrong guy for pitching coach. At least at the minor league level our young arms are regressing
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Post by keystone61 on Sept 18, 2019 14:17:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 7:56:25 GMT -5
In Alex we trust (or should anyway)
His record since he has taken over the mess we were speaks for itself
And he did not drain the farm for temporary fixes
We should trust Snit too, but that is another can of worms, every manager makes a decision that is questionable
I remain convinced the so called leadership of the prior regime would not have maximized the development of this team as we have seen the last two yrs, and who knows who would have been in the dugout had that remained in place
AA has one thing the prior leadership did not have, the willingness to listen and a way to suggest and communicate - a needed tool in today's world in any business while getting respect from those working for him and being strong enough to be in charge
Its the results that count
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Post by Cheaters2 on Sept 20, 2019 10:23:05 GMT -5
It's easy to overreact. I've done it my fair share, even though I try my best to avoid doing it. Hell, I overreacted to Folty's first inning today (although I have never trusted the guy). Fact is, he battled and took a step forward today. I think Greene was most likely overvalued, but all we gave up for Melancon was money, and for Martin an underachieving minor league pitcher with a pretty average ceiling. If one of those three guys is in the middle of a dogpile right around Halloween this year or next, I'll consider the trades a pretty damn big win myself. what I can't understand is how Allard became a better pitcher with the Rangers by developing better stuff after he left the Braves how does a kid go from averaging 88 to 90 on his FB and is now hitting 94 what did the Rangers staff find to fix that the Braves staff could not
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Post by Cheaters2 on Sept 20, 2019 10:24:47 GMT -5
In Alex we trust (or should anyway) His record since he has taken over the mess we were speaks for itself And he did not drain the farm for temporary fixes We should trust Snit too, but that is another can of worms, every manager makes a decision that is questionable I remain convinced the so called leadership of the prior regime would not have maximized the development of this team as we have seen the last two yrs, and who knows who would have been in the dugout had that remained in place AA has one thing the prior leadership did not have, the willingness to listen and a way to suggest and communicate - a needed tool in today's world in any business while getting respect from those working for him and being strong enough to be in charge Its the results that count COPPY put us where we are
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 10:35:45 GMT -5
COPPY put us where we are He did collect plenty of prospects with mixed results Look at the busts like Wisler, Blair, and a list of other prospects that were tried and did not make it Then there was the infamous Hector Olivera trade Sure he was aggressive in pursuing the international market for one thing (making up his own rules and losing his career in the process with the Braves losing the prospects) He might have been a stockpiler of talent, but he was an arrogant full of himself person who was not a leader, had no business leading a major league baseball team and his fate was well deserved In the end, we are better off. BTW, three of our young contributors now, Acuna, Ozzie and Camargo (I still believe in him) were Wren's players. AA is a better leader then the two bone heads could ever hope to be Of those trades made, well, Fried finally made it but it took 5 yrs for him to really contribute. Riley is still a work in progress, does have the power and the OBP should improve I will give credit for the Swanson/Ender trade, and they did not fully damage the brand by keeping Freeman and Julio In the fall of 2017, the Braves were a mess and the presence of Alex and Snitker have been instrumental in stabilizing what we see now, and I do not think the team would have done well with the negativity of the prior regime
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Post by Cheaters2 on Sept 20, 2019 11:14:27 GMT -5
COPPY put us where we are He did collect plenty of prospects with mixed results Look at the busts like Wisler, Blair, and a list of other prospects that were tried and did not make it Then there was the infamous Hector Olivera trade Sure he was aggressive in pursuing the international market for one thing (making up his own rules and losing his career in the process with the Braves losing the prospects) He might have been a stockpiler of talent, but he was an arrogant full of himself person who was not a leader, had no business leading a major league baseball team and his fate was well deserved In the end, we are better off. BTW, three of our young contributors now, Acuna, Ozzie and Camargo (I still believe in him) were Wren's players. AA is a better leader then the two bone heads could ever hope to be Of those trades made, well, Fried finally made it but it took 5 yrs for him to really contribute. Riley is still a work in progress, does have the power and the OBP should improve I will give credit for the Swanson/Ender trade, and they did not fully damage the brand by keeping Freeman and Julio In the fall of 2017, the Braves were a mess and the presence of Alex and Snitker have been instrumental in stabilizing what we see now, and I do not think the team would have done well with the negativity of the prior regime if not for COPPY AA could not have made any of the trades he made this yr. Snitker has been amazing and that was COPPY.
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Post by keystone61 on Sept 20, 2019 11:37:08 GMT -5
Coppy was fine making a ton of deals to get prospects at a time when the major league product sucked. It's a different deal altogether to do what AA has done, which is to improve a good team without selling its future. It's apples and oranges.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 20, 2019 12:54:45 GMT -5
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 20, 2019 14:10:26 GMT -5
All the people involved in the rebuild deserve a lot of credit. I don’t see how that can be denied.
And out of all of them, to me Freh-deh Freh-mehn deserves an ultra mega huge gold star for never complaining one time. He deserves a 5-6 year extension so he gets to reap the benefits for the rest of his career for putting up with all those bad seasons and doing nothing but being a complete professional the whole time. Kept his mouth shut, hustled and played hard and performed through the whole thing. An icon. It’s easy to take Freddie for granted, I constantly have to remind myself not too. Ozzie is shaping up to deserve that kind of respect too.
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Post by keystone61 on Sept 20, 2019 17:37:39 GMT -5
GAPOZ is uber talented and charismatic to boot, so I don't disagree. He seems as likely to take the mantle as anyone.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 20, 2019 18:53:06 GMT -5
GAPOZ is uber talented and charismatic to boot, so I don't disagree. He seems as likely to take the mantle as anyone. Yes, he is my pick. He would be the first non whitey to take that role for us, and I know Dansby was supposed to be the guy, but if justice is served GAPOZ will be the guy as time goes on and he keeps progressing the way he is.
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