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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 12:29:05 GMT -5
Allard does not have the hard stuff for today's game and did not look good in ST - he fell behind the other prospects in the system Maybe he does become a control location pitcher, but showed little of it with the big club All of that is very true, I just think the Braves sold low on him. Granted, they're in 1st place and there's only one trade deadline, so they had to act now if they wanted to make something happen. And, I wouldn't be surprised if Allard never even made it to the Majors for any long period of time. I just believe that when it comes to prospects, you're dealing with potential; that's where the value comes from. Anyways, it's a crap shoot, and like I said before, this could wind up being a situation where Martin provides more value in 3 months than Allard will for the Rangers for his entire career, but value is value and if the Braves are gonna trade value, I hope it's at worst equal. That is the price you have to pay when the rebuild gets accelerated faster than expected Now we expect to be in post season or at worst case scenario, compete to the end And this is a guy (Martin) who does throw strikes and if he works out, might not be prohibitively expensive to extend a year or two As for Allard, who knows what he will be when he is 26, but for now a move had to be made cause man, some of the pen guys we were counting on to develop (Minter, Sobotka) just have no command at all, really scuffling Still not sure how long they can go with Lucky Luke, he really has been more lucky than good. For now our guys are in a good position, lets keep it and hope for the good versions of Folty and Gausman
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 12:35:20 GMT -5
I’d like to think we might sign Martin if he pitches well for us, we’re going to be in serious need of bullpen help next year and it has to come from somewhere. We don’t want to burn more prospects for it so we’re going to have to spend some money. Signing Martin would take the sting out of giving up on Allard. If Allard were traded for a bigger name with more of a past would you have been better with that trade? Think you can keep Martin for say, two yrs for 8 mil total. Seems like a lot, but look at what FA relievers were getting in the off season Would like to get him for two yrs between 6 and 7, just never know what the market is going to do This is the first yr Martin has real good numbers. Allard really has shown little so do not see that much of a sting there. If it were Wright that would be more of a fuss. Wright would bring much more in return but they seem to want to be more patient with him, he has more talent than Allard
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 31, 2019 15:39:27 GMT -5
If we make a couple of moves today and need to clear roster space do we send Riley down where he can get everyday AB Please.......for his sake.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 31, 2019 15:42:11 GMT -5
Braves get Melancon from the Giants for Beck and Winkler.
Braves get Shane Greene from the Tigers for Wentz and Demeritte.
Add that to the Martin for Allard deal.
Bullpen retooled and I have nothing against any of these moves. Good job, AA.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 31, 2019 15:51:34 GMT -5
Braves get Melancon from the Giants for Beck and Winkler. Braves get Shane Greene from the Tigers for Wentz and Demeritte. Add that to the Martin for Allard deal. Bullpen retooled and I have nothing against any of these moves. Good job, AA. We have really improved the pen a lot, bottom line.
So who is out now?
Gotta be Minter, right? even though he's a lefty? Hell Blevins has blown away Minter and Newcomb is still way better despite his wildness today.
Walker gets sent down?
Webb should be back in the pen when he comes back.
Send Riley down and let him get his swing back for September call ups?
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 31, 2019 15:56:14 GMT -5
Braves get Melancon from the Giants for Beck and Winkler. Braves get Shane Greene from the Tigers for Wentz and Demeritte. Add that to the Martin for Allard deal. Bullpen retooled and I have nothing against any of these moves. Good job, AA. We have really improved the pen a lot, bottom line.
So who is out now?
Gotta be Minter, right? even though he's a lefty? Hell Blevins has blown away Minter and Newcomb is still way better despite his wildness today.
Walker gets sent down?
Webb should be back in the pen when he comes back.
Send Riley down and let him get his swing back for September call ups?
I agree with all of that.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 31, 2019 16:16:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind signing Gerrit Cole this offseason.
If our payroll is supposed to go up and we get JD off the books we should spend the money.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 31, 2019 17:34:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind signing Gerrit Cole this offseason.
If our payroll is supposed to go up and we get JD off the books we should spend the money.
I would like for us to lock up Rendon for 5 yrs
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 31, 2019 17:35:08 GMT -5
Braves get Melancon from the Giants for Beck and Winkler. Braves get Shane Greene from the Tigers for Wentz and Demeritte. Add that to the Martin for Allard deal. Bullpen retooled and I have nothing against any of these moves. Good job, AA. I hate that we did not get a left-handed reliever
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Post by turnerfield on Jul 31, 2019 17:53:53 GMT -5
Braves get Melancon from the Giants for Beck and Winkler. Braves get Shane Greene from the Tigers for Wentz and Demeritte. Add that to the Martin for Allard deal. Bullpen retooled and I have nothing against any of these moves. Good job, AA. I hate that we did not get a left-handed reliever Fried and Newk. I like the idea of Fried, Newk, Melancon, Martin, and Greene giving us postseason innings out of the pen.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 31, 2019 18:23:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind signing Gerrit Cole this offseason.
If our payroll is supposed to go up and we get JD off the books we should spend the money.
I would like for us to lock up Rendon for 5 yrs I would expect the Gnats to spend a lot to keep him.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 31, 2019 18:32:16 GMT -5
I hate that we did not get a left-handed reliever Fried and Newk. I like the idea of Fried, Newk, Melancon, Martin, and Greene giving us postseason innings out of the pen. this makes me worry we will keep Minter up
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 31, 2019 18:39:19 GMT -5
Fried and Newk. I like the idea of Fried, Newk, Melancon, Martin, and Greene giving us postseason innings out of the pen. this makes me worry we will keep Minter up I will be shocked and pissed off if Minter stays in our pen, he doesn't belong. He didn't even belong before we made these trades.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 31, 2019 18:44:08 GMT -5
Cardinals fans are in full nuclear meltdown, they fully believed all kinds of nonsense was going to go in their favor....they thought they were getting Greinke and Bumgarner, and trading Ozuna to us for two top prospects (even though Ozuna is a FA at the end of this year) or trading Fowler to us, they had all kinds of things they were counting on, and the Cardinals didn't make one single move. BWAHAHAHAHAHA, I'm having some great fun with old friends today, lol......even though they're in first place right now there's zero percent chance they hang with the Brewers and Cubs as this thing winds down, the team was wise not to try to "go for it" now but man the natives have lost their minds! Good times, good times.....they're claiming the Mets were willing to trade Wheeler to the Cardinals for Bader, but the Cardinals wouldn't go for it, and Wheeler is a FA after this season. Crazy people.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 31, 2019 18:51:34 GMT -5
HAHAHAHA, it gets even better, from the Cardinals beat writer:
Derrick Goold @dgoold · 1m FredBird is dressed as Santa Claus tonight at the ballpark. Maybe not the right look for this trade deadline day. #stlcards #Cardinals #MLB
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