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Post by keystone61 on Aug 4, 2019 10:01:35 GMT -5
I'm not worried about Kyle Wright. He might yet wind up a failure, but when he's on, he's an ace in waiting. The stuff is there. Fans are impatient. We all want a guy who can jump right into the majors and dominate. Fact is, that's very rare, and to expect it from any player is unfair.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Aug 4, 2019 12:06:24 GMT -5
Here is something nobody is saying.. Maybe our pitching coach just isn't good. It seems pitchers regress under him. And our AAA guy is no better. Maybe we need to get a new guy in the winter... Also if Folty comes back a train wreck again. Could we maybe get RA Dickey to unretire and be our 5th guy I don’t think it’s Kranitz. I think it’s more an organizational philosophy and MLBs obsession with velocity. Braves believe in working off the fastball, and guys are throwing with max effort. The harder you throw, the less command you have. It’s why walks, homers, and strike outs are way up across the board all through MLB. |
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 4, 2019 12:15:06 GMT -5
Somebody forgot to tell Luke Jackson about this working off the fastball
thing...
Working off the fastball is not just a "Braves thing".. It's what 95% of
all pitchers do and have done since baseball was invented.
100% correct though about velocity. A premium has been places on that measurable and 91mph
guys are sucking trying to be 94+ mph guys.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Aug 4, 2019 18:12:00 GMT -5
Here is something nobody is saying.. Maybe our pitching coach just isn't good. It seems pitchers regress under him. And our AAA guy is no better. Maybe we need to get a new guy in the winter... Also if Folty comes back a train wreck again. Could we maybe get RA Dickey to unretire and be our 5th guy I don’t think it’s Kranitz. I think it’s more an organizational philosophy and MLBs obsession with velocity. Braves believe in working off the fastball, and guys are throwing with max effort. The harder you throw, the less command you have. It’s why walks, homers, and strike outs are way up across the board all through MLB. but the braves have believed in working off the fastball for 25yrs but we always had guys come in every season and get better now it seems no one gets better |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Aug 4, 2019 18:15:30 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s Kranitz. I think it’s more an organizational philosophy and MLBs obsession with velocity. Braves believe in working off the fastball, and guys are throwing with max effort. The harder you throw, the less command you have. It’s why walks, homers, and strike outs are way up across the board all through MLB. but the braves have believed in working off the fastball for 25yrs but we always had guys come in every season and get better now it seems no one gets better You're being impatient. |
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 4, 2019 20:34:08 GMT -5
I'll be glad when this MLB obsession with velocity is over, and teams start teaching pitching again. Pitching is about getting hitters out. That hasn't changed and it never will. Velocity is great if you can control it, but it's obvious from watching baseball nowadays that very few can do that. Maybe the tide will turn if more kids like Soroka come up and have success. You know.......kids that can PITCH.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Aug 4, 2019 21:42:20 GMT -5
I'll be glad when this MLB obsession with velocity is over, and teams start teaching pitching again. Pitching is about getting hitters out. That hasn't changed and it never will. Velocity is great if you can control it, but it's obvious from watching baseball nowadays that very few can do that. Maybe the tide will turn if more kids like Soroka come up and have success. You know.......kids that can PITCH. I think what it comes down to is that a lot of relievers aren’t pitchers, they’re throwers, and a lot of them wouldn’t be on an MLB roster if they didn’t max out. The thing of it is that it still works. Hitters strike out all the time and until that changes you won’t see MLB teams looking for pitchers. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 4, 2019 21:54:15 GMT -5
I'll be glad when this MLB obsession with velocity is over, and teams start teaching pitching again. Pitching is about getting hitters out. That hasn't changed and it never will. Velocity is great if you can control it, but it's obvious from watching baseball nowadays that very few can do that. Maybe the tide will turn if more kids like Soroka come up and have success. You know.......kids that can PITCH. I think what it comes down to is that a lot of relievers aren’t pitchers, they’re throwers, and a lot of them wouldn’t be on an MLB roster if they didn’t max out. The thing of it is that it still works. Hitters strike out all the time and until that changes you won’t see MLB teams looking for pitchers. It's not working as well as it was a few years ago. I posted some stats in here 4 weeks ago or so that show how terrible bullpens have become all across baseball compared to a couple of years ago back to 10-12 years ago. Bullpens are nowhere near as effective as before. I think fatigue probably plays into it as well, when you have these guys going 110% on every pitch they throw, and with starters going fewer and fewer innings, these bullpen guys are being taxed more than ever. The first thing to go when you or your arm gets tired is your control. |
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 5, 2019 6:02:38 GMT -5
Yeah but these guys are sucking from day 1.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 5, 2019 6:15:28 GMT -5
Yeah but these guys are sucking from day 1. So then fatigue plays no role? I find that hard to believe when managers are using 4-5 of them every night. Maybe they’re sucking to begin with and then it gets worsened by fatigue. |
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 5, 2019 6:26:40 GMT -5
No it does but the bigger issue for me is that these guys are just throwers and not pitchers.
It's not going to change until it changes at the beginning levels. The kids groomed to be pitchers at these levels are mainly just the kids who can sling it the hardest. It works at those levels and as they move up as well because batters at those levels lack plate discipline. Because it works, there is very little teaching the art of pitching going on.
Fatigue is an issue with control but the bigger issue in this discussion is a level of max effort on every pitch that exceeds the ability to have decent control.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 5, 2019 6:39:48 GMT -5
I completely agree with that. I just know from my high school days when I pitched three full games per week and a few innings each Saturday how much fatigue affected my control. The push for velocity is definitely the bigger problem then fatigue adds to it. I guarantee some day it will come out that a lot of these guys are experience a lot of pain in their arm but are afraid to speak up. Afraid to lose their job and to be thought of as a pansy. I could tolerate a lot of pain but in my high school days there were entire months at a time where different parts of my arm were absolutely killing me but I never said a word to anybody. Even the balms didn’t help after a certain point. It ended up destroying both my arm and my rotator cuff. I can’t throw a rock thirty feet now.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Aug 5, 2019 13:03:40 GMT -5
The juiced balls and small parks have got to hurt the 2 pitch RP who throws the FB 75% of the time. And now that every RP throws 95-99 it is just a 2 pitch guy who throws a average FB
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