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Post by keystone61 on Jul 22, 2019 7:08:43 GMT -5
There was no rhyme or reason for him to use Minter last night, I agree. I like Hand or Greene as a potential closer. Guys like Minter or Sobotka, I’d be ok with running them out there if we were still rebuilding, but not now. We need dependable pen guys if we are going to challenge a team like the Dodgers for NL supremacy. I agree. But there's also been no reason for him to use Minter in the 8th or 9th innings of any games since he came back up from the minors but he's kept doing it, and we can count on him to continue doing it. I agree we have to add some help to this bullpen or we're not serious contenders this year. The trick is that 15-20 other teams that have playoff hopes need bullpen help too. So anybody would have to give up a ton to get the bullpen help. We'll have to give up something that will hurt at least a little bit, but I'm ready to do that. I've said all along it would be wrong to trade Camargo, he's too good of an all around and versatile player, but damn, if you aren't going to use him then trade him and get some bullpen help for crying out loud. It would be a crime to trade him, but what's the sense of letting him rot on the bench AND having crucial weaknesses in the pen? We're gonna wind up trading Camargo and regretting the hell out of it, I'm afraid. He's been dissed by Snitker for no reason that I can see. It's ridiculous the way he's been treated. Another difference between Snit and Cox right there, because there is NO WAY that Bobby would have treated Camargo the way Snit has.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 22, 2019 7:38:56 GMT -5
I agree. But there's also been no reason for him to use Minter in the 8th or 9th innings of any games since he came back up from the minors but he's kept doing it, and we can count on him to continue doing it. I agree we have to add some help to this bullpen or we're not serious contenders this year. The trick is that 15-20 other teams that have playoff hopes need bullpen help too. So anybody would have to give up a ton to get the bullpen help. We'll have to give up something that will hurt at least a little bit, but I'm ready to do that. I've said all along it would be wrong to trade Camargo, he's too good of an all around and versatile player, but damn, if you aren't going to use him then trade him and get some bullpen help for crying out loud. It would be a crime to trade him, but what's the sense of letting him rot on the bench AND having crucial weaknesses in the pen? We're gonna wind up trading Camargo and regretting the hell out of it, I'm afraid. He's been dissed by Snitker for no reason that I can see. It's ridiculous the way he's been treated. Another difference between Snit and Cox right there, because there is NO WAY that Bobby would have treated Camargo the way Snit has. It has lowered my opinion of Snitker. As I’ve said before, it’s like Camargo banged Snitkers daughter, and at this point I hope he did. By the eye test anybody knows Johan had a really nice season last year, when you dig into the numbers the deeper you go the more you see what a great season it was. He’s a really solid ballplayer, and I’d bet this season is going to motivate him to be even better. We will sorely regret if we trade him and/or don’t have a starting job for him next year.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 22, 2019 8:44:23 GMT -5
We're gonna wind up trading Camargo and regretting the hell out of it, I'm afraid. He's been dissed by Snitker for no reason that I can see. It's ridiculous the way he's been treated. Another difference between Snit and Cox right there, because there is NO WAY that Bobby would have treated Camargo the way Snit has. It has lowered my opinion of Snitker. As I’ve said before, it’s like Camargo banged Snitkers daughter, and at this point I hope he did. By the eye test anybody knows Johan had a really nice season last year, when you dig into the numbers the deeper you go the more you see what a great season it was. He’s a really solid ballplayer, and I’d bet this season is going to motivate him to be even better. We will sorely regret if we trade him and/or don’t have a starting job for him next year. Snit's a lot like those Little League daddy ball coaches.
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Post by jryanw on Jul 26, 2019 14:50:45 GMT -5
At this point I would like to see the braves send both guys to Florida or back to A ball and hire a special pitching coach to rebuild them they both have good stuff just no control of it. I'm hoping Wright is the centerpiece of a trade for an Ace. Hopefully Syndergaard.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 26, 2019 16:36:01 GMT -5
At this point I would like to see the braves send both guys to Florida or back to A ball and hire a special pitching coach to rebuild them they both have good stuff just no control of it. I'm hoping Wright is the centerpiece of a trade for an Ace. Hopefully Syndergaard. Wright's control numbers have been good in the minor leagues. He doesn't need to go lower than AAA, he needs some more time there to work on trusting his stuff, which is really good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 12:55:57 GMT -5
How did Wright go from being a decent control pitcher in the highest level of the minors to the confused overmatched looking pitcher he has been in his brief time in MLB
Did he lose his control all of a sudden, is the moment too big or is some of the problem Kranitz and or Snitker
He got lost out there in his last start and did not seem to be helped by the PC
He is 23, two yrs from his college draft and given where he was picked I am sure nearly all of us expected more than what we have seen
Will he get better for this team is a fair question - we are not rebuilding anymore so do you give him the time that Folty was given?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 12:56:45 GMT -5
Minter just plain regressed from last yr for what ever number of reasons
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 27, 2019 14:15:53 GMT -5
I think Minter needs to go back to A ball and learn to throw a slider or change of something that moves downward . his 4seamer and his cutter is on the same plane always
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 23:31:57 GMT -5
Both Wright and Minter are right where they belong -- the minors
Hope they show up fresh, ready, healthy, hungry and improved in ST and we will see about 2020 for now we do not have to worry about them down the stretch the rest of this yr
Do not want them in the show till maybe at least next yr if they can handle it
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Aug 4, 2019 0:12:07 GMT -5
At this point I would like to see the braves send both guys to Florida or back to A ball and hire a special pitching coach to rebuild them they both have good stuff just no control of it. Putting them in A-ball is essentially saying you just want them to disappear.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 4, 2019 0:23:57 GMT -5
At this point I would like to see the braves send both guys to Florida or back to A ball and hire a special pitching coach to rebuild them they both have good stuff just no control of it. Putting them in A-ball is essentially saying you just want them to disappear. Wright has had two quality starts since going back to Gwinnett, a total of 2 BB in 13 innings. His last outing he gave up one run in 7 innings with no walks. That's impressive at the AAA level. I really don't want to see him back with the big league team this year, let him stay at AAA and keep building his confidence. I feel pretty sure he's going to be a pretty good big league pitcher.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Aug 4, 2019 0:56:08 GMT -5
Putting them in A-ball is essentially saying you just want them to disappear. Wright has had two quality starts since going back to Gwinnett, a total of 2 BB in 13 innings. His last outing he gave up one run in 7 innings with no walks. That's impressive at the AAA level. I really don't want to see him back with the big league team this year, let him stay at AAA and keep building his confidence. I feel pretty sure he's going to be a pretty good big league pitcher. I agree. Not really getting the Wright hate. The kid is young and there's gonna be hiccups. So, he didn't come out like Bueller, most don't. As for Minter, he's been hot garbage, but he's a reliever, and relievers are notoriously unreliable. Take for example the three guys the Braves just traded for, none of them were particularly good last year, yet this year they're all saving graces for the Braves bullpen. This is the main reason why you don't sign relievers on the FA market, and you don't trade a lot of prospects for them either.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Aug 4, 2019 8:25:48 GMT -5
Here is something nobody is saying.. Maybe our pitching coach just isn't good. It seems pitchers regress under him. And our AAA guy is no better. Maybe we need to get a new guy in the winter... Also if Folty comes back a train wreck again. Could we maybe get RA Dickey to unretire and be our 5th guy
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 4, 2019 9:54:51 GMT -5
We should have re-signed Sanchez.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 4, 2019 9:55:31 GMT -5
Wright has had two quality starts since going back to Gwinnett, a total of 2 BB in 13 innings. His last outing he gave up one run in 7 innings with no walks. That's impressive at the AAA level. I really don't want to see him back with the big league team this year, let him stay at AAA and keep building his confidence. I feel pretty sure he's going to be a pretty good big league pitcher. I agree. Not really getting the Wright hate. The kid is young and there's gonna be hiccups. So, he didn't come out like Bueller, most don't. As for Minter, he's been hot garbage, but he's a reliever, and relievers are notoriously unreliable. Take for example the three guys the Braves just traded for, none of them were particularly good last year, yet this year they're all saving graces for the Braves bullpen. This is the main reason why you don't sign relievers on the FA market, and you don't trade a lot of prospects for them either. When you see the Wright hate, consider the source.
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