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Post by bravter on Sept 27, 2019 2:15:17 GMT -5
Oh noes, guys are going to have to learn how to hit again instead of just trying to hit flyballs that will carry farther than they should and go over the fences.
how many guys will get big contracts this off season because of there power numbers being up only to have them decline 25% next yr I'm more worried about our young pitching that we heavily invested in and giving up on them too early because of it. The bright side is a lot of top prospects around the league have suffered pretty hard so it's not worst thing ever. Also overcoming the juiced ball through this season might have been a good thing for these pitcher's development. Maybe they're doing things they normally wouldn't have done at such an early age.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Sept 27, 2019 2:27:59 GMT -5
how many guys will get big contracts this off season because of there power numbers being up only to have them decline 25% next yr I'm more worried about our young pitching that we heavily invested in and giving up on them too early because of it. The bright side is a lot of top prospects around the league have suffered pretty hard so it's not worst thing ever. Also overcoming the juiced ball through this season might have been a good thing for these pitcher's development. Maybe they're doing things they normally wouldn't have done at such an early age. I'm not too worried about it as they only gave up on Allard and Wentz, and both had questions surrounding them prior to this year.
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Post by bravter on Sept 27, 2019 2:29:20 GMT -5
Personally, I’m enjoying the season and think the game is fine. Baseball has always gone through eras, this is just another in a long line. Eventually, a new era will emerge. Baseball is ever changing and as fans we should expect that and change with it. I mean, crap, if you think this era is bad, imagine being alive during the Dead Ball era. Yikes! It's not sustainable with many of these little league fields, nor do I think it's fair to fly ball pitchers. Beating the yearly record by 400-600 HR's is just a joke. But I have seen some pro's to getting outs that you normally might not have seen with the older balls. Balls are hit harder and I think double plays could be easier to come by, and balls that could have normally fell in seem to be either flying far enough or staying in the air long enough to get the outs. These things are always much easier to say when your team wins their division and the future looks bright.
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Post by bravter on Sept 27, 2019 2:32:44 GMT -5
I'm more worried about our young pitching that we heavily invested in and giving up on them too early because of it. The bright side is a lot of top prospects around the league have suffered pretty hard so it's not worst thing ever. Also overcoming the juiced ball through this season might have been a good thing for these pitcher's development. Maybe they're doing things they normally wouldn't have done at such an early age. I'm not too worried about it as they only gave up on Allard and Wentz, and both had questions surrounding them prior to this year. I've accepted it pretty fast considering it's happened all across the MLB, relief pitching that is. That's just the way it works when competing for a championship.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Sept 27, 2019 2:46:00 GMT -5
Personally, I’m enjoying the season and think the game is fine. Baseball has always gone through eras, this is just another in a long line. Eventually, a new era will emerge. Baseball is ever changing and as fans we should expect that and change with it. I mean, crap, if you think this era is bad, imagine being alive during the Dead Ball era. Yikes! It's not sustainable with many of these little league fields, nor do I think it's fair to fly ball pitchers. Beating the yearly record by 400-600 HR's is just a joke. But I have seen some pro's to getting outs that you normally might not have seen with the older balls. Balls are hit harder and I think double plays could be easier to come by, and balls that could have normally fell in seem to be either flying far enough or staying in the air long enough to get the outs. These things are always much easier to say when your team wins their division and the future looks bright. Well, like I said, we're in this specific era, and if baseball has taught us anything it's that eras come and go, and so will this one. Your complaint about things not being sustainable are the same complaints, or similar, to complaints made in other eras. I say let the game just evolve into what it'll be. If something happens that's REALLY BAD there will be a correction. Like, if fans start to rebel against baseball's being wound tighter, MLB will loosen them up. If hitters have too big of an advantage, they'll lower the mound. Personally, I have no problem watching the game as it is, in fact, I find myself watching more non-Braves baseball games than I ever have before. It's because the game is exciting. Ya, we get some games where there is terrible pitching, but we also get some really awesome pitching performances, despite the wound up baseballs. I think there's a nice balance going on. Ya, hitters are hitting a lot of homers, but pitchers are doing well in many respects also.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 27, 2019 10:47:26 GMT -5
I don’t see it as an acceptable evolution of the game when it happened because the ball was altered. The only way this “era” could be described would be “the cheater ball era.”
What’s the next step now if they make the ball the way it was before? Back to line drive hitting, hitting the ball the other way, more emphasis on running the bases and stealing bases, better overall fundamentals.....how can that not be the direction it goes? What are the other options?
And if hitters have to go back to focusing more on making more consistent contact, pitchers are also going to have to go back to learning how to actually pitch. All good things in my book.
The shift will probably be outlawed because they’re beating it now by hitting the ball over the shift, they won’t be able to do that anymore.
At any rate, I’m all for fixing the cheater ball, I don’t like the way the game is now. Everybody swinging for the fences. I could go watch pro softball games if I wanted to see that.
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Post by keystone61 on Sept 27, 2019 11:28:06 GMT -5
I don’t see it as an acceptable evolution of the game when it happened because the ball was altered. The only way this “era” could be described would be “the cheater ball era.” What’s the next step now if they make the ball the way it was before? Back to line drive hitting, hitting the ball the other way, more emphasis on running the bases and stealing bases, better overall fundamentals.....how can that not be the direction it goes? What are the other options? And if hitters have to go back to focusing more on making more consistent contact, pitchers are also going to have to go back to learning how to actually pitch. All good things in my book. The shift will probably be outlawed because they’re beating it now by hitting the ball over the shift, they won’t be able to do that anymore. At any rate, I’m all for fixing the cheater ball, I don’t like the way the game is now. Everybody swinging for the fences. I could go watch pro softball games if I wanted to see that. I'm all for going back to playing the game more like it was meant to be played. There is a plethora of skills involved in playing baseball, which includes speed, defense, contact hitting, bunting for hits, stealing bases, squeeze plays, etc. Most of that is being ignored in favor of bases on balls, homers, and 98 MPH fastballs. I like homers as much as anybody, but it's gotten ridiculous. Wins for pitchers don't mean much anymore because 7 innings is now considered a complete game. They used to be much more meaningful before the "cheater ball era" as you call it.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 27, 2019 13:17:40 GMT -5
I'm all for not having ever changed the game except in extreme circumstances.
Why was the ball altered at all? (and it was)
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Sept 27, 2019 14:08:22 GMT -5
I don’t see it as an acceptable evolution of the game when it happened because the ball was altered. The only way this “era” could be described would be “the cheater ball era.” What’s the next step now if they make the ball the way it was before? Back to line drive hitting, hitting the ball the other way, more emphasis on running the bases and stealing bases, better overall fundamentals.....how can that not be the direction it goes? What are the other options? And if hitters have to go back to focusing more on making more consistent contact, pitchers are also going to have to go back to learning how to actually pitch. All good things in my book. The shift will probably be outlawed because they’re beating it now by hitting the ball over the shift, they won’t be able to do that anymore. At any rate, I’m all for fixing the cheater ball, I don’t like the way the game is now. Everybody swinging for the fences. I could go watch pro softball games if I wanted to see that. The game has been altered considerably over the decades. From altering the size of the mound, altering gloves and catcher’s mitts, altering grass to turf, altering lineups by implementing the DH. MLB has always altered the game in an attempt to make it better, or more popular.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 27, 2019 15:11:29 GMT -5
I don’t see it as an acceptable evolution of the game when it happened because the ball was altered. The only way this “era” could be described would be “the cheater ball era.” What’s the next step now if they make the ball the way it was before? Back to line drive hitting, hitting the ball the other way, more emphasis on running the bases and stealing bases, better overall fundamentals.....how can that not be the direction it goes? What are the other options? And if hitters have to go back to focusing more on making more consistent contact, pitchers are also going to have to go back to learning how to actually pitch. All good things in my book. The shift will probably be outlawed because they’re beating it now by hitting the ball over the shift, they won’t be able to do that anymore. At any rate, I’m all for fixing the cheater ball, I don’t like the way the game is now. Everybody swinging for the fences. I could go watch pro softball games if I wanted to see that. The game has been altered considerably over the decades. From altering the size of the mound, altering gloves and catcher’s mitts, altering grass to turf, altering lineups by implementing the DH. MLB has always altered the game in an attempt to make it better, or more popular. I realize that, but altering the ball itself has had way more dramatic effect than those other things because it comes into play on every single play. Except strikeouts of course.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Sept 27, 2019 22:47:48 GMT -5
I'm more worried about our young pitching that we heavily invested in and giving up on them too early because of it. The bright side is a lot of top prospects around the league have suffered pretty hard so it's not worst thing ever. Also overcoming the juiced ball through this season might have been a good thing for these pitcher's development. Maybe they're doing things they normally wouldn't have done at such an early age. I'm not too worried about it as they only gave up on Allard and Wentz, and both had questions surrounding them prior to this year. I still want to know why allard's fastball jump to 94 when he left our organization
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Sept 27, 2019 22:51:08 GMT -5
The game has been altered considerably over the decades. From altering the size of the mound, altering gloves and catcher’s mitts, altering grass to turf, altering lineups by implementing the DH. MLB has always altered the game in an attempt to make it better, or more popular. I realize that, but altering the ball itself has had way more dramatic effect than those other things because it comes into play on every single play. Except strikeouts of course. That's certainly a valid argument. I did forget to mention the biggest alteration, which DOH how could I do that, which is MLB changing, changing again, and rechanging the strike zone over the decades. That's had to have had a bigger effect than changing the baseballs.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 27, 2019 23:38:57 GMT -5
I realize that, but altering the ball itself has had way more dramatic effect than those other things because it comes into play on every single play. Except strikeouts of course. That's certainly a valid argument. I did forget to mention the biggest alteration, which DOH how could I do that, which is MLB changing, changing again, and rechanging the strike zone over the decades. That's had to have had a bigger effect than changing the baseballs. That's a big one for sure.
A bigger problem in today's game in that regard is that the friggin' strike zone changes from pitch to pitch!
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Post by mauibravefan on Sept 28, 2019 0:03:09 GMT -5
and most definitely from umpire to umpire
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Sept 28, 2019 0:50:49 GMT -5
That's certainly a valid argument. I did forget to mention the biggest alteration, which DOH how could I do that, which is MLB changing, changing again, and rechanging the strike zone over the decades. That's had to have had a bigger effect than changing the baseballs. That's a big one for sure.
A bigger problem in today's game in that regard is that the friggin' strike zone changes from pitch to pitch!
No doubt, but I think the ultimate point is that changes are going to happen. I’m not trying to dissuade you from not liking how the baseballs are made, as I believe bad ideas can be fixed if enough fans complain about it. I’m just saying that I don’t mind the change because I kinda like the game right now. Of course I don’t like all the strike outs and I wish there was a little more base stealing in the game, but I like seeing runs score and the elite pitchers are still elite by most measures. I really wanna see how pitchers adjust, TBH. I look at a guy like Soroka. He doesn’t give up many homers and he doesn’t strike out a lot of batters, but what he does do very well is get weak contact. Maybe all this ball changing will force pitchers to actually be pitchers, rather than throwers. I know that has been a huge complaint by fans over the last 10 years. All I’m saying is, what’s going on is interesting. The game is evolving and I kinda wanna see what happens next. We won’t get that if they just change the balls back.
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