Cheaters2
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Post by Cheaters2 on May 7, 2019 20:56:29 GMT -5
I heard on the radio the other day some people talkin about the belief that balls are juice today they said that this was the first year that AAA is using MLB balls and was talking about how home runs are up a lot. You can look at Gwinnett and see guys hitting home runs who's being in the minor leagues for a long time who has already hit more home runs this year then they have in any season before. As for the Major Leagues the guy said that before this year only six teams the history of baseball have hit 250 home runs in a season and that we currently have six teams this season alone on Pace to hit 250 home runs it does look like the balls might be Juiced if you look at some of the opposite field home runs that's not being driven that look like fly balls that keep traveling everything looks pretty convincing of the balls being juice
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Post by bravter on May 8, 2019 23:04:25 GMT -5
Didn't a Dodger pitcher say he felt the balls were juiced two years ago? Last year it felt like balls weren't zipping out of Suntrust like 2017 and so far this season. In any case couldn't any ball hawk easily prove or debunk if a ball's juiced with a little science? Braves surely aren't playing with juiced ball against the Dodgers right now, everything has been wtp.
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Post by bourjosgeorge on May 9, 2019 18:34:17 GMT -5
It looked like the balls that the Braves hit during the Dodger series may have been juiced with molten lead.
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Post by bravter on May 11, 2019 0:07:48 GMT -5
Heard it was a 30% increase in homeruns. Yikes that is fishy. Maybe a lot of good hitting prospects are in triple A and a lot of bad pitchers. Our pitchers have gave up a lot more in triple A. Bryse Wilson has already given up 6 homers. Allard and Wright 5 homers.
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Post by Cheaters2 on May 15, 2019 16:27:42 GMT -5
Heard it was a 30% increase in homeruns. Yikes that is fishy. Maybe a lot of good hitting prospects are in triple A and a lot of bad pitchers. Our pitchers have gave up a lot more in triple A. Bryse Wilson has already given up 6 homers. Allard and Wright 5 homers. look at our AAA guys HR totals and you will see guys who have been in minors 5+yrs already with as many this season or even more than in any full season ever |
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Post by bravter on Jun 12, 2019 3:03:40 GMT -5
www.forbes.com/sites/robertkuenster/2019/05/30/are-juiced-balls-the-reason-mlb-is-on-pace-for-another-record-setting-home-run-season/#5cc9ba943aa1The science on the 2017 balls compared to the old balls. fivethirtyeight.com/features/juiced-baseballs/ I don't deny that hitters are swinging for the fences and have better launch angles in their swing. Why wouldn't they if the ball is going to go an extra 8 feet? What I wonder is if the ball has been altered even more from 2017. I do find all this a bit tragic for fly ball pitchers. Heck we can't even get a real good evaluation of hitters or pitchers in Triple A anymore since they're using major league balls. It just sucks for these fly ball pitchers that found what worked now just don't work anymore. There's articles of David Price saying if the balls are tampered with then just admit it. If they're messing with the balls then fine, at least we know. Maybe pitchers and hitter could work together and find a happy medium. I think with all this questioning the ball, we do at least know for sure the seams are different and the ball is slicker. I remember back in the day Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz would constantly throw a ball back they didn't like. Do any of our pitchers do that anymore? Maybe balls all feel too similar, that there's no point in doing it. In the first article it talked about how Maddux could tell the difference in balls. Where are we going to go from here if there's 400 more homeruns from the record setting record in 2017? Is MLB just going to pretend like nothing has changed? Are we gonna pretend like nothing drastic has happened in Triple A? Are they just going to sweep it under the rug and fix the issue in the off season? Honestly I'd be ok with an infield shift limit and watch some small ball over record breaking homerun numbers every year and the detriment of our fly ball pitchers. As you can tell, I lean that the ball is tampered. What about you all? Anything to contradict the science of the second article?
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 12, 2019 6:32:16 GMT -5
You guys are wound really tight..........like the baseballs.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 17, 2019 12:24:21 GMT -5
A guy I respect a lot on another forum chimed in today during a discussion of what's wrong with baseball nowadays, I thought this was a really good take:
"IMO MLB needs to make two changes initially (and possibly more if those don't work) to try and reverse this trend.
First, what is the problem? We're seeing baseball shift more and more towards the three true outcomes (TTO), strike outs, walks and HRs. This is because pitchers have gotten too far ahead of hitters. Strike outs are at an all time high and show no sign of stopping. Because of this teams need to score in the most efficient manner possible since it's so hard to put the ball in play. That means HRs (and walks to get others on base if possible). Players aren't really hitting worse on balls in play, there are just a lot fewer balls in play.
Solutions: I ready a study last summer that showed how strikes at the bottom of the zone are leading cause of this problem. Not only are they being called strikes but even when players are able to hit a mid 90s fastball or a sweeping breaking ball just on the lower corner of the strike zone they aren't able to do anything with it. We need to raise the strike zone back up to the top of the knee cap (it was lowered in 1994 I think). This will allow hitters to focus on a smaller strike zone, thus reducing strike outs (and weak contact on pitches in those areas) leading to more balls in play and thus less of a need to seek the HR at the expense of all other hits. But this won't completely fix the problem as HRs are still the most efficient way to score. You need to fix the ball itself which has been reported on many times over the last few years as being a culprit in the HR binges.
That's what I'd do to start. If that didn't have the desired effect, I would either shrink the zone more or lower the mound (I believe they are studying how this would impact pitchers and injuries, so it would be pending those results). "
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 17, 2019 17:25:02 GMT -5
Maybe, but playing the counter-argument...
Are pitchers ahead of hitters because of the strike zone or because hitters don't really attempt to just put balls in play, opting for launch angles and HR's?
Since advanced stats came into play, it seems the guy who hits singles and a few doubles are not valued. Neck was batting near .300
a couple of years back and many said he was easily replaceable because his OPS and OPS+ didn't look good. Even when Ender is hitting well most of what was talked about was how he was so league average because he was mainly a singles and doubles hitter. Everything these days is focused on players doing damage with their hits... not just putting balls in play and getting on base.
So now we have TTO's, and if we look at what was noted above, do we think raising the strike zone is going to put an end to strike outs and HR's? An awful lot of strike outs come on pitches up in the zone
and most HR's do as well, so now we force even more high pitches?
On top of that... it seems to me quite odd that there are so many pitchers now who throw 95+ and live up in the zone. I don't think we see near the same amount of sinkerballers and fork balls as we used to.
The main pitch batters struggle with is the low slider, and again you are going to be unable to hit low sliders when you are trying to launch angle everything out of the park. Take that away from pitchers and force more balls up and I think you see even more HR outcomes and we are already on a record breaking pace.
So I'm not 100% sure I buy into the premise that the low pitch strike is the problem, or a problem of any sort.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 26, 2019 14:08:48 GMT -5
Oh noes, guys are going to have to learn how to hit again instead of just trying to hit flyballs that will carry farther than they should and go over the fences.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 26, 2019 17:19:34 GMT -5
In other words: "Ooops... we went too far."
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Post by mauibravefan on Sept 26, 2019 18:03:15 GMT -5
They are not juiced imo they have been feather tickled
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Post by keystone61 on Sept 26, 2019 18:35:44 GMT -5
They are not juiced imo they have been feather tickled Feather tickling is what causes juiced balls, no? |
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Post by Cheaters2 on Sept 26, 2019 19:18:33 GMT -5
Oh noes, guys are going to have to learn how to hit again instead of just trying to hit flyballs that will carry farther than they should and go over the fences.
how many guys will get big contracts this off season because of there power numbers being up only to have them decline 25% next yr |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Sept 27, 2019 0:41:52 GMT -5
Personally, I’m enjoying the season and think the game is fine. Baseball has always gone through eras, this is just another in a long line. Eventually, a new era will emerge. Baseball is ever changing and as fans we should expect that and change with it. I mean, crap, if you think this era is bad, imagine being alive during the Dead Ball era. Yikes!
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