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Post by PABraveFan on Apr 18, 2019 21:50:29 GMT -5
I would stick with bullpensuckery. Well yeah because the almighty super powerful nazi moderator would get me! The great and powerful
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 19, 2019 4:47:59 GMT -5
I have to have my wife check the closets and under the bed for the mean moderator monster every night before I can go to bed.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 19, 2019 6:23:43 GMT -5
I would stick with bullpensuckery. Well yeah because the almighty super powerful nazi moderator would get me! Yeah..... that's right
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Post by hokiedan on Apr 19, 2019 6:59:20 GMT -5
It's been said by several of you on here before and I haven't seen anything that dispels the notion. They looked at this year as a "let's throw what we got against the wall and see what sticks" approach. They locked up the young assets in Oz and Jr. They're taking a hard look at Camargo to see if he's an everyday replacement for JD or Nick. As far as pitching... once they get the top three or four in the rotation healthy and set, the revolving door will continue to exist for the fourth and fifth spot to see who is a long term keep. If more than one step up I can see them taking the spot of Teheran or Gaus or even Folty if he can't regain his form. Those that can't cut it in the rotation will become trade pieces or bullpen arms. All of this will happen to prepare the Braves for the trade deadline and the off season where hopefully they will make their move. If they're out of the playoff picture this year, so be it. Hopefully they are playing the long game. This is going to be really frustrating for the fans that want to win it all now. That's the way I see it.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 19, 2019 8:03:53 GMT -5
If you're correct, then please explain to me the point in giving Badhaircut $23 million for 1 year. It completely undermines your contention that the Braves wanna see if Camargo is a long-term piece of the puzzle. Undermining that even further is bringing back Markakis, who is a solid player, but it's not like a guy like him couldn't be found on an "as needed" basis. Also, if this were the plan, then why lie about budget flexibility, bullpen help, and the pursuit of a top of the rotation type starter? Sorry, it just makes no sense. I've lost a lot of respect for AA in the past 6 months, and even worse, I've lost a lot of confidence in him. As far as I'm concerned, he's just paid to publicly tell lies. He should go into politics.
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Post by hokiedan on Apr 19, 2019 8:50:07 GMT -5
If you're correct, then please explain to me the point in giving Badhaircut $23 million for 1 year. It completely undermines your contention that the Braves wanna see if Camargo is a long-term piece of the puzzle. Undermining that even further is bringing back Markakis, who is a solid player, but it's not like a guy like him couldn't be found on an "as needed" basis. Also, if this were the plan, then why lie about budget flexibility, bullpen help, and the pursuit of a top of the rotation type starter? Sorry, it just makes no sense. I've lost a lot of respect for AA in the past 6 months, and even worse, I've lost a lot of confidence in him. As far as I'm concerned, he's just paid to publicly tell lies. He should go into politics. The Markakis deal was simple...they weren't sure Camargo could play the outfield and Nick agreed to a bargain basement contract, especially if you took the attitude that this was a "wait and see" year. The Braves didn't want to pay an Adam Jones or an Andrew McCutchen and they sure as hell didn't want to count on Adam Duvall...so they went with the cheap option in Nick. Part of that was because of the signing of Donaldson. I really think this was a roll of the dice by AA. A one year deal on a guy that if he came back to form after injuries was a MVP caliber player. It didn't hurt that they had a prior relationship in Toronto. It hasn't played out the way that AA had hoped...but it's early and again, looking at the long run, it's a one year deal and his money is freed up after this season. Oh yeah...I know it's only a one game example...but Camargo didn't look ready for prime time at third the other day when he was in for JD.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 19, 2019 8:58:38 GMT -5
Well, I would argue that the $23 million could have enticed Kimbrel for a year, and would have done a helluva lot more for our team than Badhaircut. Kimbrel almost certainly could be had for 3/$50, which would mean that the other 2 years would have cost $13.5 each. Jones cost half what Nick did and is a better player. You didn't address AA's "lying-doubletalk-politician-speak" ways, either. It amazes me how quick some are to defend the multi-billion dollar corporation rather than the players who do all the work. Ain't nobody paying to watch AA lie to the fans, but apparently some are OK with that. I'm not. I can't stand the guy............
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Post by hokiedan on Apr 19, 2019 9:14:35 GMT -5
Well, I would argue that the $23 million could have enticed Kimbrel for a year, and would have done a helluva lot more for our team than Badhaircut. Kimbrel almost certainly could be had for 3/$50, which would mean that the other 2 years would have cost $13.5 each. Jones cost half what Nick did and is a better player. You didn't address AA's "lying-doubletalk-politician-speak" ways, either. It amazes me how quick some are to defend the multi-billion dollar corporation rather than the players who do all the work. Ain't nobody paying to watch AA lie to the fans, but apparently some are OK with that. I'm not. I can't stand the guy............ Dude...you've got a lot of anger in you don't you. I wasn't defending AA or anybody for that matter. I was offering a possible insight into how Braves management may have approached this year. I could be totally wrong. They may just be cheap bastards that don't give a damn about the fans or the team and just want to pocket the money from the baseball operation...and AA and Donaldson may be secretly colluding with each other to steal money for themselves. I personally don't think that's the case...but if it makes you feel better...go for it.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 19, 2019 9:18:38 GMT -5
No, I don't have any anger in me at all. In fact, I'm a very happy individual. Just because someone disagrees with you or doesn't like something doesn't make them angry. I just don't like the way AA operates. You can't believe anything he says. Plus, he obviously works on the buddy system, which is why we have Badhaircut on our team. I don't like that either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 9:20:05 GMT -5
Did we not see enough of Camargo last yr to determine that this guy can play everyday, or at least be a 130-140 game a yr player
So far this yr not much in production but he has not had alot of PT
And as for these guys who do not cut it in the rotation becoming trade pieces or bullpen arms, for trade pieces, what do you think we will get for them? Young arms are a dime a dozen, you see ballyoeed young prospects every day in every system, until they hit the higher levels and their weaknesses are found out
Why do you think Alex did not make any trades of substance to win now -- could it be that other teams did not think as much of what we have in the system that we have been hyped up to think what it is
What do you think guys like Allard, Gohara, Bryse Wilson, and Sobotka would bring in return now? Not a heck of alot
This has the potential to be a frustrating season - just throwing stuff out there and lets see what we have is not a commitment to winning especially in a division where you have competition that is going for it
On the mlb network site there was an article about the future closers of all 30 teams and guess who is our projected closer of the future according to that article. Chad Sobotka, guess that must have been put together a couple or more weeks ago
Hey he has stuff but they all do, its about putting it together at the highest level that is what separates em all at this level
And guys are not taught to pitch to contact anymore -- no wonder why young pitchers are a mess today
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 9:25:42 GMT -5
No, I don't have any anger in me at all. In fact, I'm a very happy individual. Just because someone disagrees with you or doesn't like something doesn't make them angry. I just don't like the way AA operates. You can't believe anything he says. Plus, he obviously works on the buddy system, which is why we have Badhaircut on our team. I don't like that either. Donaldson is not getting the job done that is for sure - at least its only for one yr But then again, Riley is not tearing is up in AAA either - I saw both sides of the Donaldson deal, but to date it is not working He does play a good third in the field though - he gets hot he can be flipped at the deadline for mid tiered prospect or two and we will see Johan play everyday or, Riley if he gets it together in AAA As for AA, I would rather see him in an interview than the squeaky voiced predecessor - and we really do not know the business going on above him Not naming names, but it is business even more so than some other teams
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 19, 2019 9:26:03 GMT -5
We’re already starting to see the benefits of being patient with Folty, Fried and Soroka. There are several more that are going to pay off by being patient rather than trading them away.
And shopping down any aisle doesn’t mean you don’t have a right to walk away and say you did it and didn’t like the prices.
And that’s all I’m going to say about it because we’ve already had this exact same argument about ten times here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 9:32:50 GMT -5
We’re already starting to see the benefits of being patient with Folty, Fried and Soroka. There are several more that are going to pay off by being patient rather than trading them away. And shopping down any aisle doesn’t mean you don’t have a right to walk away and say you did it and didn’t like the prices. And that’s all I’m going to say about it because we’ve already had this exact same argument about ten times here. I believe that Alex shopped for sure and did walk away from some proposals fair and square I am sure he is working 60 plus hour weeks and more All it will take is a nice long win streak and the mood will change on any message board, it always does Imagine if some of these guys like AJ and Sobotka can pitch up to their arm talent and stuff & Biddle can get out lefties like a lefthander should It would be a recipie for winning and everybody is happy again - I want to see it not just hope for it
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Post by hokiedan on Apr 19, 2019 9:50:39 GMT -5
Did we not see enough of Camargo last yr to determine that this guy can play everyday, or at least be a 130-140 game a yr player So far this yr not much in production but he has not had alot of PT And as for these guys who do not cut it in the rotation becoming trade pieces or bullpen arms, for trade pieces, what do you think we will get for them? Young arms are a dime a dozen, you see ballyoeed young prospects every day in every system, until they hit the higher levels and their weaknesses are found out Why do you think Alex did not make any trades of substance to win now -- could it be that other teams did not think as much of what we have in the system that we have been hyped up to think what it is What do you think guys like Allard, Gohara, Bryse Wilson, and Sobotka would bring in return now? Not a heck of alot This has the potential to be a frustrating season - just throwing stuff out there and lets see what we have is not a commitment to winning especially in a division where you have competition that is going for it On the mlb network site there was an article about the future closers of all 30 teams and guess who is our projected closer of the future according to that article. Chad Sobotka, guess that must have been put together a couple or more weeks ago Hey he has stuff but they all do, its about putting it together at the highest level that is what separates em all at this level And guys are not taught to pitch to contact anymore -- no wonder why young pitchers are a mess today I agree with Uckery that this is ground that we've gone over a few dozen times, but just one thought on the young arms...you're kinda damned if you do...damned if you don't. If you try to trade them before they've been tested people are not going to offer much because they don't really know what they are getting. If you play them and they don't pan out then they won't bring any return in trade. In any trade you're usually going to have to give up something of value to get anything in return. As I said in my initial post, I think this year was a "let's see what we've got" year...for better or worse.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 19, 2019 10:10:33 GMT -5
I'm all for "see what we've got", but we knew what we had in the bullpen; a sore-armed closer and a bunch of question marks. Minter has done absolutely nothing to gain any faith from anyone in this organization, and didn't do anything last year, either. The bullpen was an obvious need going into the off-season, and we didn't do a damn thing about it. At the end of the day, THIS is what pisses me off, and is why I don't have trust or confidence in AA.
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