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Post by littlebeast1 on Apr 18, 2019 8:42:18 GMT -5
Bottom line is we have a bunch of 6th and 7th inning guys pitching in the 8th and 9th. In the right role, the guys we have are serviceable. But this is where AA failed us in the offseason. There were so many 8th and 9th inning guys out there and we just kept saying “pass”.
The offense and rotation will keep the Braves in contention but sadly, the pen will keep them out of the postseason.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 18, 2019 8:49:14 GMT -5
A'int nobody serviceable that can't get the damn ball over the plate, I don't care what inning they're pitching in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 9:29:33 GMT -5
We have a left hander (Biddle) who cannot get lefties out. Now, figure that out - I can't
This team should stay a little about .500, maybe even win as many as 85 games but as is now cannot see any post season
Going back into the years, even in their great years they never really invested in a bullpen, it was treated like the special teams back end of a football roster. That explains the post season failures since 1999, the last time the Braves had a good post season run
They could get away with it in the 90's when starters went 7 and 8 innings, and all you really needed was a servicable closer and a set up guy, with the rest of the pen being hit or miss. It was nothing for the starters to pitch 200 plus innings, but those deep Yankee pens is what set up them winning those championships instead of us - that is what separated them in the 96 WS for sure
This day in time until they get out of the 20th century mindset that relievers are spare inter changable parts, we will never see another WS again
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 18, 2019 9:49:25 GMT -5
Once I heard Chip say the D-Backs signed Holland for $3M, I got really frustrated with AA. I'm not talking about Kimbrel per-se, but in an offseason where guys went for incredibly good value deals ... How did we not improve the bullpen at all. For what it's worth, one way or the other, Holland did have a horrible season last year. Most teams probably thought he was washed up.
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Post by brady2705 on Apr 18, 2019 10:03:30 GMT -5
Once I heard Chip say the D-Backs signed Holland for $3M, I got really frustrated with AA. I'm not talking about Kimbrel per-se, but in an offseason where guys went for incredibly good value deals ... How did we not improve the bullpen at all. For what it's worth, one way or the other, Holland did have a horrible season last year. Most teams probably thought he was washed up. He did, but AA is supposed to be saavy and analytical. Despite the bad results, his FIP was a solid 3.83, with a BABIP of .315 ... AA should have seen a good rebound candidate there, especially if he could have been had for $3-5M on a short term deal.
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Post by brady2705 on Apr 18, 2019 10:09:28 GMT -5
Just read the MLBTR piece.
I say go sign Bud Norris and Ryan Madson now -- probably $5M for both combined. They'll be on our team by May.
If Kimbrel is still here post-draft, go get him too. I understand protecting our draft pick, as it is a high pick we'd lose.
But Norris/Madson would be low cost, low risk, and would easily improve over Biddle and Carle. Those guys should be in AAA as roster-expansion or injury-replacement candidates.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 18, 2019 10:39:52 GMT -5
For what it's worth, one way or the other, Holland did have a horrible season last year. Most teams probably thought he was washed up. He did, but AA is supposed to be saavy and analytical. Despite the bad results, his FIP was a solid 3.83, with a BABIP of .315 ... AA should have seen a good rebound candidate there, especially if he could have been had for $3-5M on a short term deal. He also had a 6.22 BB/9 inning rate last year and high walk rates for several years before that. AA may have figured we didn't need any more of those guys, we were chock full of those already.
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Post by akod on Apr 18, 2019 10:40:16 GMT -5
Most relievers are not good longer than a 3 year period and that is at most. It’s a total crap shoot. Sure in hindsight Holland looks like a guy we should have signed. Maybe they will take a demeritte or another none prospect for him. Shane Greene might be a piece we go after at some point.
Another avenue I would like to take is to place an emphasis on relievers with our prospects. Gohara and Wilson look like guys who could thrive in that role. Weigel has two great pitches and could be a solid addition in the second half, he’s a ways off at the moment. We can always move guys back to the rotation next year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 13:41:57 GMT -5
Sobotka has to go, immediately -- Snit cannot keep throwing that batting practice pitcher out there
What do you replace him with? Who cares, can you get anything worse
A reunion with Jim Johnson would be a better gamble than throwing this useless so called wannabee pitcher out there -- Sobotka should be disqualified from future competition
In the end, Alex did mismanage the bullpen personnel for this year, plain and simple
And I like Alex, best thing about him is that his name is not John Hart or Johnnny Coppy, that is for starters
Alex has done some good things, there was a good turnaround last yr but got to call him out on these mistakes
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Post by turnerfield on Apr 18, 2019 16:36:03 GMT -5
When we get Folty back, assuming Folty and Soroka can hold down rotation spots, we should have a starting rotation of Folty, Soroka, Fried, Gausman, and Teheran. At that point, I want everyone else in the bullpen right now - Newcomb when he figures some ish out, Wright, Bryce Wilson, Allard, Gohara and any other young arm that is pitching well in the minors right now.
I don't see how that's not an instant improvement. If Newcomb earns a starting spot back, put Teheran in the bullpen. Add Kimbrel to all that and boom.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 18, 2019 16:50:00 GMT -5
When we get Folty back, assuming Folty and Soroka can hold down rotation spots, we should have a starting rotation of Folty, Soroka, Fried, Gausman, and Teheran. At that point, I want everyone else in the bullpen right now - Newcomb when he figures some ish out, Wright, Bryce Wilson, Allard, Gohara and any other young arm that is pitching well in the minors right now. I don't see how that's not an instant improvement. If Newcomb earns a starting spot back, put Teheran in the bullpen. Add Kimbrel to all that and boom. I've said from the beginning I thought this was the plan, and Folty and Soroka's setbacks put a crimp in that. You left out Touki, if he can keep his stuff together he fits in there somewhere too.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Apr 18, 2019 17:07:33 GMT -5
When we get Folty back, assuming Folty and Soroka can hold down rotation spots, we should have a starting rotation of Folty, Soroka, Fried, Gausman, and Teheran. At that point, I want everyone else in the bullpen right now - Newcomb when he figures some ish out, Wright, Bryce Wilson, Allard, Gohara and any other young arm that is pitching well in the minors right now. I don't see how that's not an instant improvement. If Newcomb earns a starting spot back, put Teheran in the bullpen. Add Kimbrel to all that and boom. I've said from the beginning I thought this was the plan, and Folty and Soroka's setbacks put a crimp in that. You left out Touki, if he can keep his stuff together he fits in there somewhere too. Hey, Uck ... you forgot a letter in your new name. Should be bullpensuckery.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 18, 2019 18:33:43 GMT -5
I've said from the beginning I thought this was the plan, and Folty and Soroka's setbacks put a crimp in that. You left out Touki, if he can keep his stuff together he fits in there somewhere too. Hey, Uck ... you forgot a letter in your new name. Should be bullpensuckery. That would be an option! It could also be “bullsh*tpenuckery.”
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 18, 2019 20:21:58 GMT -5
I would stick with bullpensuckery.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 18, 2019 20:36:52 GMT -5
I would stick with bullpensuckery. Well yeah because the almighty super powerful nazi moderator would get me!
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