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Post by littlebeast1 on Jan 8, 2019 10:21:00 GMT -5
AA made the right move with JD. It’s a one year deal that doesn’t hurt us going forward. Camargo will fill in for his injuries and super sub. His value at that position is vital because just as you suspect Dansby will likely need to be relieved of his duties pretty often. Hoping he can develop but very little faith. One more year to evaluate what we have in our youth while not sacrificing the ability to compete. Grandal would have cost our second round pick and likely wouldn’t have been that big of a difference maker. Ramos was the guy in this regard. I don’t think you guys are getting it. The article I linked in an earlier post about the farm system regression will be very real come 2021. An extra Jenista, Waters, or Muller will be a very useful asset in a gutted system that will have no Latin American talent for at least 5 years. Probably longer as we will have to develop relationships again in the underworld of baseball human trafficking. It’s all about having options. The cubs( outside of spending) are out of options meanwhile the Astros have Whitley, Tucker, and Alvarez ready to step up and keep them competitive after Verlander, Cole, among others move on. I'm all for having options, but only so many pitchers are going to make the Braves MLB club. They have a plethora of pitching talent in the upper minors. Shipping them off to make the ML club better will not impact the lower minors and this regression in 2021. IMO, it's time for the Braves to stop hording prospects and start using some of them as currency. Be smart about it, but don't miss out on the opportunity to swap minor league potential for major league talent.
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Post by PABraveFan on Jan 8, 2019 11:29:23 GMT -5
Why are all these discussion in an AJ Pollock tread??? Have all the Braves off season discussios moved here? I don't see anything on the other tread.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 8, 2019 11:37:16 GMT -5
Why are all these discussion in an AJ Pollock tread??? Have all the Braves off season discussios moved here? I don't see anything on the other tread. Surely you recall from the old bored that every single tread gets hijacked!
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 8, 2019 11:43:29 GMT -5
AA made the right move with JD. It’s a one year deal that doesn’t hurt us going forward. Camargo will fill in for his injuries and super sub. His value at that position is vital because just as you suspect Dansby will likely need to be relieved of his duties pretty often. Hoping he can develop but very little faith. One more year to evaluate what we have in our youth while not sacrificing the ability to compete. Grandal would have cost our second round pick and likely wouldn’t have been that big of a difference maker. Ramos was the guy in this regard. I don’t think you guys are getting it. The article I linked in an earlier post about the farm system regression will be very real come 2021. An extra Jenista, Waters, or Muller will be a very useful asset in a gutted system that will have no Latin American talent for at least 5 years. Probably longer as we will have to develop relationships again in the underworld of baseball human trafficking. It’s all about having options. The cubs( outside of spending) are out of options meanwhile the Astros have Whitley, Tucker, and Alvarez ready to step up and keep them competitive after Verlander, Cole, among others move on. I completely get what you’re saying, but the JD signing only works if he’s healthy and there’s a risk in that. I do realize our farm could get real fragile pretty quickly, but as littlebeast was saying you have to also make yourself as good as you can now within reason. My middle ground between protecting the farm and improving ourself now was to spread the JD money around in a less gambling way. I think you helped make my point-considering how we need to be careful managing assets now, we should have put our money in a low risk option and added more than one asset. If JD stays healthy it’s a great move, if he doesn’t it kept us from having two other good players.
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 8, 2019 11:50:28 GMT -5
I'm curious. Did AA have to get special permission from MLB to keep the Braves COMPLETELY off of the radar for over a month? It's impressive how he's kept the Braves completely out of even MINOR minor league transactions, don't you think?
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jan 8, 2019 12:12:58 GMT -5
Why are all these discussion in an AJ Pollock tread??? Have all the Braves off season discussios moved here? I don't see anything on the other tread. Probably because there's been no offseason news for the Braves since November.
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 8, 2019 12:55:24 GMT -5
Yeah, ALL of those Braves offseason discussions are right here>>>>
So............whaddya think?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 8, 2019 13:45:47 GMT -5
I'm curious. Did AA have to get special permission from MLB to keep the Braves COMPLETELY off of the radar for over a month? It's impressive how he's kept the Braves completely out of even MINOR minor league transactions, don't you think? I still think the exact same thing is true for at least half the teams in baseball. It would probably be staggering to look at a list of FA's still available right now, and there's very little chatter about any of them, even the lower rung FA's. It's interesting for sure. They keep saying once Machado and Harper sign things will start to happen all over the place, but that seems crazy to me that so much would hang on two guys who are in such a different range for the contracts they're going to get. I could see 3-4 teams holding off waiting to see if they can land those two, but not another 15 teams who aren't even interested in those two a-holes.
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 8, 2019 16:33:06 GMT -5
I'm curious. Did AA have to get special permission from MLB to keep the Braves COMPLETELY off of the radar for over a month? It's impressive how he's kept the Braves completely out of even MINOR minor league transactions, don't you think? I still think the exact same thing is true for at least half the teams in baseball. It would probably be staggering to look at a list of FA's still available right now, and there's very little chatter about any of them, even the lower rung FA's. It's interesting for sure. They keep saying once Machado and Harper sign things will start to happen all over the place, but that seems crazy to me that so much would hang on two guys who are in such a different range for the contracts they're going to get. I could see 3-4 teams holding off waiting to see if they can land those two, but not another 15 teams who aren't even interested in those two a-holes. I could see it impacting a guy like Pollock, not so much in $$, but in the length of the contract. I'm of the mind that if the GOAT and the Hustler get 10 years, it will be a very creative 10-year deal with options, etc. Pollock is wanting 5 years......I don't think he gets it. I think he gets more along the lines of what Cutch got. He might be waiting to see what GOAT and Hustler get before he makes a decision. JMO, of course.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 8, 2019 16:53:54 GMT -5
I agree with all of that, and it is interesting how teams are so unwilling to go even 5 years right now. Especially if a guy is suspect at all, either with age or injuries. GM's are wising up. Which makes it hard for me to believe anybody is going to be anywhere near stupid enough to give Harper 10 years at $300M+. After he flops that will be the last long term contract anybody ever gets.
I don't get the love for Machado either, this whole thing is completely media driven. I admit I'm biased, I don't like guys who are a-holes or hot dogs and don't hustle (Machado fits all three, lol....), but even an unbiased look at his road splits says he's not such a special player. He has a career .762 OPS and 104 wRC+ on the road. His home OPS is only .886 for his career. Good player, no doubt, if you overlook the intangibles, but a guy who is so spectacular he should be getting a 10 year $300M contract? Ridiculous!
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jan 10, 2019 15:14:10 GMT -5
When I say I’d be fine entering the season as we are, I should also say I’m not happy at all with our catching situation. I would have rather signed Grandal or Ramos and a good bullpen guy like Herrera than risking the money on JD. Because I see catcher as a need and I don’t think we are filling it adequately. I was in real early on a catcher. It will be interesting to see the response of those who poo-poo'd the notion of signing a decent one if FlowCann falls flat.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jan 10, 2019 15:22:38 GMT -5
I agree with all of that, and it is interesting how teams are so unwilling to go even 5 years right now. Especially if a guy is suspect at all, either with age or injuries. GM's are wising up. Which makes it hard for me to believe anybody is going to be anywhere near stupid enough to give Harper 10 years at $300M+. After he flops that will be the last long term contract anybody ever gets.
I don't get the love for Machado either, this whole thing is completely media driven. I admit I'm biased, I don't like guys who are a-holes or hot dogs and don't hustle (Machado fits all three, lol....), but even an unbiased look at his road splits says he's not such a special player. He has a career .762 OPS and 104 wRC+ on the road. His home OPS is only .886 for his career. Good player, no doubt, if you overlook the intangibles, but a guy who is so spectacular he should be getting a 10 year $300M contract? Ridiculous!
Machado's OPS+ has looked consistently solid and I think with a guy like him it's the consistency thing. Yeah you can look at his overall stats and not see some sort of generational talent. However, in a league where so many guys are up and down.. fantastic one or two years and downright mediocre the next 2 to 5, his consistently solidly better than average results have a value beyond reading across the stat line. Harper on the other hand... that's def "the man, they myth, and did I mention the myth?" situation..
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Post by peteorr on Jan 10, 2019 15:24:37 GMT -5
When I say I’d be fine entering the season as we are, I should also say I’m not happy at all with our catching situation. I would have rather signed Grandal or Ramos and a good bullpen guy like Herrera than risking the money on JD. Because I see catcher as a need and I don’t think we are filling it adequately. I was in real early on a catcher. It will be interesting to see the response of those who poo-poo'd the notion of signing a decent one if FlowCann falls flat. Grandal should have gotten a better contract than that. He was clearly the best catcher on the market by far unless I'm missing something because based on their asking price, the Marlins do not intend to trade Realmuto. I said the Braves should have signed Lucroy. I guess we'll see how he does this season.
Really what I'm bummed about is the Braves just not having money to play with. It was quite clear that Suzuki and Sanchez could price themselves out of coming back to the Braves if they wished to. The Nationals signed both and Dozier who I previously mentioned wanting. I didn't say that this offseason, but I still would have loved to take a chance on Dozier. His ceiling is so much higher than Dansby's. The Braves have their MVP caliber players in Acuna, Freeman, and Donaldson, more players who could again be all-stars such as Albies and Folty. Our GMs job was to fill out the recent of the roster with competent players and that should have meant not signing McCann and moving Dansby to a utility role or trading him.
I liked the Donaldson signing. It's just that at first I didn't realize how truly limiting it would be. The Braves were supposed to have a big offseason and they won't have if they stick with what they have currently or merely add back Markakis or Heyward.
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Post by jryanw on Jan 10, 2019 18:23:37 GMT -5
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