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Post by jryanw on Jan 3, 2019 8:50:44 GMT -5
What do you guys think of a very unique 5 years 80 mil for pollock? 20 mil per in years 1-3. 5 mil in year 4 and 15 mil in year 5. If he doesn't play in 130 games or more for the 1st 3 seasons we have an option after year 4. If he does he has an option after year 3
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jan 3, 2019 9:25:07 GMT -5
What do you guys think of a very unique 5 years 80 mil for pollock? 20 mil per in years 1-3. 5 mil in year 4 and 15 mil in year 5. If he doesn't play in 130 games or more for the 1st 3 seasons we have an option after year 4. If he does he has an option after year 3 Pollock's injury history is too much of a red flag for that long of a deal. He's only played a full season once in the last five years. Way too much money to spend on a guy to sit on the DL. Pass.
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 3, 2019 10:21:27 GMT -5
I don't think Pollock is gonna get 5 years from anybody.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 3, 2019 14:31:05 GMT -5
Here's my take on AJP. Once upon a time I thought the Braves would sign him, but that changed the moment he got a QO. The Braves just cannot afford to give up a single draft pick right now, so in my mind, AJP is a no go.
Sucks too, cause I think he's a good player.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 3, 2019 14:34:16 GMT -5
I'd love to have Pollock, he's a 5 tool player when he's healthy, but I wouldn't gamble on 5 years of him being healthy at this point. I'd be willing to gamble 3 years $45M and that it's it. But I do agree having to give up a pick probably makes the whole thing with him a no go. I totally agree we can't afford to give up picks for at least a few more years.
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Post by mauibravefan on Jan 3, 2019 14:53:43 GMT -5
Pollock seems to be seeking a contract that will pay beyond the abilities he has shown since his 1 stellar year in 2015.Injury prone,32yo next season and costs a pick. Not a good investment for a 5 year hope IMO.Think he is swimming upstream from here on out
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 3, 2019 15:10:49 GMT -5
I'd love to have Pollock, he's a 5 tool player when he's healthy, but I wouldn't gamble on 5 years of him being healthy at this point. I'd be willing to gamble 3 years $45M and that it's it. But I do agree having to give up a pick probably makes the whole thing with him a no go. I totally agree we can't afford to give up picks for at least a few more years. 3/$45 is PLENTY for Pollock, especially because of the QO. He might not get that. Teams are leery of these big long-term contracts, and rightfully so. When you add in the fact that guys are getting to the majors younger and younger, it makes the draft pick even more valuable. The union really screwed the players over good with the QO, eh? I LOVE it.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 3, 2019 15:13:41 GMT -5
I'd love to have Pollock, he's a 5 tool player when he's healthy, but I wouldn't gamble on 5 years of him being healthy at this point. I'd be willing to gamble 3 years $45M and that it's it. But I do agree having to give up a pick probably makes the whole thing with him a no go. I totally agree we can't afford to give up picks for at least a few more years. 3/$45 is PLENTY for Pollock, especially because of the QO. He might not get that. Teams are leery of these big long-term contracts, and rightfully so. When you add in the fact that guys are getting to the majors younger and younger, it makes the draft pick even more valuable. The union really screwed the players over good with the QO, eh? I LOVE it. The problem is there's almost certainly going to be a strike when the current contract runs out. I don't think they'd be wise to strike but they're pretty set on it, they think they're going to get the moon and the stars in the next agreement and reality is not trending that direction.
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Post by jryanw on Jan 3, 2019 17:14:26 GMT -5
I'd love to have Pollock, he's a 5 tool player when he's healthy, but I wouldn't gamble on 5 years of him being healthy at this point. I'd be willing to gamble 3 years $45M and that it's it. But I do agree having to give up a pick probably makes the whole thing with him a no go. I totally agree we can't afford to give up picks for at least a few more years. I agree that's why it's a creative contract. If he gets hurt during his tenure it's a 4 year 45 mil. If not 5 years 60 mil is very fair. I did forget about the QO though.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 3, 2019 17:21:45 GMT -5
I'd love to have Pollock, he's a 5 tool player when he's healthy, but I wouldn't gamble on 5 years of him being healthy at this point. I'd be willing to gamble 3 years $45M and that it's it. But I do agree having to give up a pick probably makes the whole thing with him a no go. I totally agree we can't afford to give up picks for at least a few more years. I agree that's why it's a creative contract. If he gets hurt during his tenure it's a 4 year 45 mil. If not 5 years 60 mil is very fair. I did forget about the QO though. I think your math is off--according to your original proposal we'd be out $65M after 4 years if he had injury issues.
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Post by peteorr on Jan 3, 2019 18:52:34 GMT -5
Pollock will sign after Harper. Harper is going to set the market price and Pollock will look to capitalize. If I were a team looking to sign Pollock I wouldn't go past McCutchen's 3/50 contract and even meeting that would make me uncomfortable. Does Pollock have to sign for a certain amount/years for him to cost higher round draft picks for other teams? If I'm not mistaken it would only cost the Braves a third round pick to sign Pollock. I'm still not interested though given his rumored demands.
Pollock is very talented. He'd be too frustrating though. Pollock had a 165 wRC+ in March/April, and 122 wRC+ in May and July. He was injured all of June, hit terribly in August, and hit roughly league average in September/October. I suspect Pollock was playing injured in August and possibly some time in September and October as well. This is something you could overlook if it were a different player and be more confident in the signing. Pollock is going to have to accept that he won't be paid commensurate to his talent level because he is chronically injured.
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Post by jryanw on Jan 3, 2019 19:19:34 GMT -5
I agree that's why it's a creative contract. If he gets hurt during his tenure it's a 4 year 45 mil. If not 5 years 60 mil is very fair. I did forget about the QO though. I think your math is off--according to your original proposal we'd be out $65M after 4 years if he had injury issues. You are right. My bad.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 3, 2019 19:38:35 GMT -5
I think your math is off--according to your original proposal we'd be out $65M after 4 years if he had injury issues. You are right. My bad. It's all good, I really don't think we're going to take a chance on him anyway. He's probably going to get a deal that would be a stretch for us even if he stays healthy.
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Post by PABraveFan on Jan 3, 2019 20:43:21 GMT -5
What do you guys think of a very unique 5 years 80 mil for pollock? 20 mil per in years 1-3. 5 mil in year 4 and 15 mil in year 5. If he doesn't play in 130 games or more for the 1st 3 seasons we have an option after year 4. If he does he has an option after year 3 He's averaged 100 games/yr. 1 HR for every 31 AB equates to about 20 HR/yr IF he plays a full year, otherwise, you're looking at a 15 HR guy who knock in 60-65 runs a year. Not worth $15mil/yr or $20M for the first 3 years. I'd go 3 years/$39M max (he'll then be 34/). I'd just as soon have Markakis for 2/$15M and spend the other $5M/yr on something else. If Markakis played only 125-130 games he'd perform better later in the year. Now if we could get Peralta THAT would be a move I would consider. I just think for the small improvement with Pollock and his history of only averaging 100 games /yr it's too risky to go more than 3 years. Perhaps your deal would work but I doubt he'd sign anything that dropped his pay to $5M for being hurt. I don't like that $20M up front either for the first 3 years.
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 3, 2019 20:53:27 GMT -5
I'd offer him a Donaldson deal. That's about it. If he has a monster year and you lose him, so be it. He's gonna have to establish that he can play a full season, IMO. I'd be much more inclined to do that than to offer 4 or 5 years. I wouldn't be against platooning Nick and DuvalLOL. That could work. Nick shouldn't play 162 games.
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