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Post by littlebeast1 on Oct 16, 2018 13:18:18 GMT -5
The Braves won't be stupid but I expect them to be aggressive this offseason. The success of 2018 undoubtedly should change their approach this winter. They have a ton of money as well as a ton of "player currency". If it takes an aggressive package to land a talent like Realmuto, which greatly improves an area of need, then AA needs to pursue it - wisely. Don't sell the farm but don't hold on to all of your chips either.
I could see the Braves trading for Realmuto and then, signing AJ Pollock to replace Nick. Suddenly, your OD lineup looks quite formidable.
RF Acuna 2B Albies 1B Freeman LF Pollock C Realmuto 3B Camargo CF Inciarte SS Swanson
Add to that a SP like Patrick Corbin and the loss of Newk or Soroka (not both) is absorbable.
SP Corbin SP Folty SP Gausman SP Newk / Soroka SP Touki / Fried
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 16, 2018 15:09:14 GMT -5
I agree that he is a much better option than Grandal, but at what cost? Are we gonna give up a package such as say Newcomb, Gohara, Soroka, Contreras, and Riley (pick your own names) to get this guy? From what I've read, that's not too far off. I don't really agree that we're hurting at catcher. Our current options aren't great, but they're not bad, either. Do we really wanna gut the farm system for a catcher? A very good catcher, but the price is gonna be awfully steep. 4 or 5 good prospects for a catcher? I don't know, man.....tough call. No... I wouldn't want to gut the farm system for anything, and wouldn't. I don't know at what cost because I have no idea what we may offer and they may take. Plus when I look at the catcher position, I am looking beyond just the next season. How much more do you think we are going to get out of FlowZuki? Flowers was not good at the plate prior to coming here and after a career year he has returned to not being great, and they are both old. Outside of Flowers pitch framing, there is nothing to get exited about defensive-wise either. JTR had an OPS+ of 131 last year, and is 27. years old. We had a combined 2.7 WAR from Flowzuki last year and JTR had 4.3 himself in only 125 games. He is a helluva lot better than a "very good catcher". He might be the best catcher in the league for the next several years. We might get by in 2019 with Flowzuki... but what about 2020, 21, 22? If I can get this guy by dealing some pieces where we have depth, then I would do it... but of course I would have to see the actual deal before deciding. Totally understood. Those are all good points. A big question I have is do the Braves see Contreras as the catcher of the future? Lugbauer? Herbert? You don't hear much about them prospect-wise, so I assume not, but Contreras puts up really good numbers. How far away is he? Is he a valuable chip in a Realmuto trade? Is either of our young catchers a valuable chip in a Realmuto trade? I know really good catchers are hard to find and are premium pieces. I'm just curious how much is too much.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Oct 16, 2018 18:29:54 GMT -5
On the high end, JTR’s surplus value is roughly $73 million. That’s like Pache and Wright, by themselves, but if the Marlins want depth then it could be Wright, Gohara, Wilson. Or, Anderson, Waters, Gohara. Or Anderson and Riley.
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 16, 2018 21:47:38 GMT -5
On the high end, JTR’s surplus value is roughly $73 million. That’s like Pache and Wright, by themselves, but if the Marlins want depth then it could be Wright, Gohara, Wilson. Or, Anderson, Waters, Gohara. Or Anderson and Riley. If Pache and Wright would get it done, I'd do that deal. I bet that's not enough, though. I like what I've seen of Wright, but a premium catcher is hard to find, and Realmuto is the real deal. I don't really wanna let Riley go. The game today is all about power, and he has a lot of it, and more to come as he matures.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Oct 16, 2018 22:05:10 GMT -5
On the high end, JTR’s surplus value is roughly $73 million. That’s like Pache and Wright, by themselves, but if the Marlins want depth then it could be Wright, Gohara, Wilson. Or, Anderson, Waters, Gohara. Or Anderson and Riley. If Pache and Wright would get it done, I'd do that deal. I bet that's not enough, though. I like what I've seen of Wright, but a premium catcher is hard to find, and Realmuto is the real deal. I don't really wanna let Riley go. The game today is all about power, and he has a lot of it, and more to come as he matures. If that doesn’t get it done then the Marlins would only be looking for a top-10 pitcher or top-25 hitter.
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Post by wncbravesfan on Oct 17, 2018 9:06:22 GMT -5
@kelswingert Kelsey Wingert Retweeted chad pleasant I don’t think the #Braves want to get stuck in a MASSIVE, long-term deal like Harper will want/get. They are going to need money to sign Acuña, Albies & company in the coming years... and obviously Freddie. Kelsey Wingert added, chad pleasant @chadpleasant @kelswingert so with all the recruiting of Harper being talked about what do you think the chances are he is a Brave next season?
(No Bryce Harper for Braves???)
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Post by littlebeast1 on Oct 17, 2018 9:34:58 GMT -5
@kelswingert Kelsey Wingert Retweeted chad pleasant I don’t think the #Braves want to get stuck in a MASSIVE, long-term deal like Harper will want/get. They are going to need money to sign Acuña, Albies & company in the coming years... and obviously Freddie. Kelsey Wingert added, chad pleasant @chadpleasant @kelswingert so with all the recruiting of Harper being talked about what do you think the chances are he is a Brave next season? (No Bryce Harper for Braves???)Honestly, this doesn't break my heart.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 17, 2018 10:42:31 GMT -5
Honestly.... I've known this ever since Harper was first mentioned as a possible Braves FA acquisition.
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Post by hokiedan on Oct 17, 2018 14:35:35 GMT -5
It makes no sense to tie up that much of your payroll for that long....for a guy I honestly think is not that good.
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 17, 2018 14:54:45 GMT -5
It makes no sense to tie up that much of your payroll for that long....for a guy I honestly think is not that good. I don't know if you can be that good. 10 years/$400 million is A LOT of good, bro. You can probably easily get Pollock for 5 years/$90 million or so, maybe even 4/75. That's a no brainer to me.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 17, 2018 14:58:19 GMT -5
Honestly.... I've known this ever since Harper was first mentioned as a possible Braves FA acquisition. I think I've said it at least 20 times. It wasn't rocket science to figure it out. Which is great for us, let that asshat be somebody else's expensive mistake.
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Post by hokiedan on Oct 17, 2018 14:58:27 GMT -5
It makes no sense to tie up that much of your payroll for that long....for a guy I honestly think is not that good. I don't know if you can be that good. 10 years/$400 million is A LOT of good, bro. You can probably easily get Pollock for 5 years/$90 million or so, maybe even 4/75. That's a no brainer to me. My problem with Pollock, as a lot of people have noted, is his inability to stay healthy. That's still a lot of money for a guy that can't seem to stay on the field and has really only had one, maybe one and a half good years.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 17, 2018 15:01:49 GMT -5
Harper had a 3.5 WAR this year. Hell, Camargo had a 3.4 WAR season. Harper had one monster season and several good to really seasons with the bat, and for some reason people want to characterize him as a once in a generation type player. He's a complete hack in the outfield and I get the sense he's not a good team leader. When you're supposedly a 10 year $400M player, you do special things to help your team win, you're the leader of the team, but coincidentally his team has flopped every year in the playoffs.
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 17, 2018 15:53:45 GMT -5
I don't know if you can be that good. 10 years/$400 million is A LOT of good, bro. You can probably easily get Pollock for 5 years/$90 million or so, maybe even 4/75. That's a no brainer to me. My problem with Pollock, as a lot of people have noted, is his inability to stay healthy. That's still a lot of money for a guy that can't seem to stay on the field and has really only had one, maybe one and a half good years. I agree. Just throwing him out there as an example of a more sensible signing. Free agent signings are risky as hell no matter who it is, and there just isn't much value in the outfield market this season. Pollock and Brantley are the best of the bunch, and we don't need another left-handed hitter in our lineup, which knocks Brantley out, IMHO. That's why I wouldn't mind seeing the Braves sign Donaldson short-term and try Camargo in the outfield. You could always do something at the deadline if Riley forces his way in or one of those moves just doesn't work out.
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Post by mauibravefan on Oct 17, 2018 19:58:18 GMT -5
How about Michael Brantley?
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