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Post by peteorr on Oct 15, 2018 19:43:15 GMT -5
For anyone interested in Grandal
Molly Knight Verified account @molly_knight
Grandal now 6 for 65 with 28 strikeouts in his postseason career. That is unreal.
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Post by peteorr on Oct 15, 2018 19:52:26 GMT -5
So Bowman contradicts what DOB previously said about the amount the Braves would have to spend this offseason
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Today’s session with Anthopoulos confirmed the Braves will have plenty financial flexibility. Specifics weren’t revealed, but it appears they’ll have at least $60M to fill multiple needs: Catcher, OF, Bullpen depth, a SP, but only if Corbin or another frontline option makes sense
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 15, 2018 20:43:32 GMT -5
I'm still interested in Grandal.
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Post by wncbravesfan on Oct 15, 2018 20:57:44 GMT -5
David O'Brien @dobrienatl #Braves weren't ready to trade top prospects a year ago, but now that evaluations have been made by AA and his staff, look for deals to happen. Potentially very big ones.
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Post by peteorr on Oct 15, 2018 21:21:08 GMT -5
WNC synthesizing that DOB tweet and other tweets I've read, I think the Braves are prioritizing trading for Realmuto before signing Grandal.
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Post by wncbravesfan on Oct 15, 2018 22:43:29 GMT -5
WNC synthesizing that DOB tweet and other tweets I've read, I think the Braves are prioritizing trading for Realmuto before signing Grandal. Yep, the Braves aren't hiding their love for Realmuto
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Oct 15, 2018 22:52:18 GMT -5
AA talked about trades. I’m telling you now, he’s not just talking about pitching prospects. Active MLBers will get traded this off-season. Unless a pitching prospect is in the top-25, they don’t offer enough surplus value to be centerpieces of a big trade. Riley is the only guy the Braves have on the offensive side that could be used, unless a team really values Pache and think his future is that of a top-50 prospect, but even then, that wouldn’t be enough. Newk will definitely be on the block, IMO.
At this point, I’m really gonna have to look and see who is out there that the Braves could trade for; that wouldn’t require a huge haul.
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Post by peteorr on Oct 15, 2018 23:23:49 GMT -5
WNC synthesizing that DOB tweet and other tweets I've read, I think the Braves are prioritizing trading for Realmuto before signing Grandal. Yep, the Braves aren't hiding their love for Realmuto Weird to me that they are so open about it. I'm no doubt sure they are interested. But what's the benefit to being so forward about it? It almost makes me think they are trying to get other teams to outbid them for Realmuto because the Braves are targeting another catcher whether that be via trade or free agency.
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Post by peteorr on Oct 15, 2018 23:38:43 GMT -5
AA talked about trades. I’m telling you now, he’s not just talking about pitching prospects. Active MLBers will get traded this off-season. Unless a pitching prospect is in the top-25, they don’t offer enough surplus value to be centerpieces of a big trade. Riley is the only guy the Braves have on the offensive side that could be used, unless a team really values Pache and think his future is that of a top-50 prospect, but even then, that wouldn’t be enough. Newk will definitely be on the block, IMO. At this point, I’m really gonna have to look and see who is out there that the Braves could trade for; that wouldn’t require a huge haul. Of course I can't predict the future. What I can say is how many people saw Camargo's production coming? Where was he ranked on prospect lists? Keith Law is of course just one guy and not a pro scout. He sees Camargo as a solid regular IIRC. So I doubt Keith sees Camargo as a 3.3 fWar player. So not necessarily a prediction, but I wouldn't be shocked if Camargo just had his career year. In any case, Camargo is coming off of a good season. Riley has yet to play in the majors. I would expect Camargo has more trade value. On top of that the Braves seem to like Riley an awful lot.
I've gone into this offseason thinking the Braves should trade away Folty because he possibly hit his peak. They would spend the money they have available on free agency and have few changes going into next season.
Bowman just tweeted a tweet that contradicts what DOB recently said. The Braves could have $60M to add to the payroll and not the $35M-$40M that DOB reported. It also sounds like the Braves are going to focus on trades and not necessarily spend all of the available money unless they find terms that really suite them. Of course I can't personally know who is available for trade and what precisely it would take to get them. That's one reason why I said the Braves should be focusing on free agency. The primary reason I feel the Braves should be focusing on free agency is that they kind of need the players they would be trading away. How many players and who can they realistically part with? It sounds as though the front office isn't going about things the same way that I would. They are the professionals though and I'm not. So we'll see what comes of it. I am somewhat worried that the wrong moves could certainly necessitate a rebuild at some point. I liked that the trades Anthoupolos made at the deadline didn't give up players who the Braves needed moving forwards. The same can't be said if the Braves are to trade for Realmuto, Peralta, and select other players. Whatever happens I am excited for hot stove season.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Oct 16, 2018 0:00:01 GMT -5
AA talked about trades. I’m telling you now, he’s not just talking about pitching prospects. Active MLBers will get traded this off-season. Unless a pitching prospect is in the top-25, they don’t offer enough surplus value to be centerpieces of a big trade. Riley is the only guy the Braves have on the offensive side that could be used, unless a team really values Pache and think his future is that of a top-50 prospect, but even then, that wouldn’t be enough. Newk will definitely be on the block, IMO. At this point, I’m really gonna have to look and see who is out there that the Braves could trade for; that wouldn’t require a huge haul. Of course I can't predict the future. What I can say is how many people saw Camargo's production coming? Where was he ranked on prospect lists? Keith Law is of course just one guy and not a pro scout. He sees Camargo as a solid regular IIRC. So I doubt Keith sees Camargo as a 3.3 fWar player. So not necessarily a prediction, but I wouldn't be shocked if Camargo just had his career year. In any case, Camargo is coming off of a good season. Riley has yet to play in the majors. I would expect Camargo has more trade value. On top of that the Braves seem to like Riley an awful lot.
I've gone into this offseason thinking the Braves should trade away Folty because he possibly hit his peak. They would spend the money they have available on free agency and have few changes going into next season.
Bowman just tweeted a tweet that contradicts what DOB recently said. The Braves could have $60M to add to the payroll and not the $35M-$40M that DOB reported. It also sounds like the Braves are going to focus on trades and not necessarily spend all of the available money unless they find terms that really suite them. Of course I can't personally know who is available for trade and what precisely it would take to get them. That's one reason why I said the Braves should be focusing on free agency. The primary reason I feel the Braves should be focusing on free agency is that they kind of need the players they would be trading away. How many players and who can they realistically part with? It sounds as though the front office isn't going about things the same way that I would. They are the professionals though and I'm not. So we'll see what comes of it. I am somewhat worried that the wrong moves could certainly necessitate a rebuild at some point. I liked that the trades Anthoupolos made at the deadline didn't give up players who the Braves needed moving forwards. The same can't be said if the Braves are to trade for Realmuto, Peralta, and select other players. Whatever happens I am excited for hot stove season.
I planned on responding in depth to your other post but I’ve mostly been on my phone lately, so expect something forthcoming. I can see AA looking to go the trade route first because they have a surplus of pitching depth, but like I said previously, they don’t come with a lot of surplus value. An #11-25 and a #26-50 pitching prospect is only worth about $10 mil more than a #11-25 hitting prospect. That’s not good for the Braves. I do believe that the Braves may try to trade Camargo due to the possibility that he may be at peak value. Even if you love what Camargo brings you can’t really blame the Braves for thinking that way. It would be one thing if the Braves didn’t have Riley sitting there in AAA, but they do, so they can afford to take that risk. At the end of the day, I think they’ll do their due diligence on the trade market for an OFer, but aggressively pursue Pollock. I also think they’ll try to swindle the Marlins for JTR; signing Flowers as basically a back-up/framing coach. I’ll have to get on the PC and look up JTR’s surplus value. And when I say swindle the marlins, I mean convince them that Camargo is a player they want. That isn’t a knock on Camargo, but if you can trade him, instead of Riley or Pache, that would be advantageous for the Braves. Typing this much on the phone sucks, but I wanted to responds to your post with as much depth as you responded to mine.
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Post by wncbravesfan on Oct 16, 2018 9:31:49 GMT -5
Why are the Braves high on Riley? He has shown me nothing.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 16, 2018 9:43:39 GMT -5
I am all for trading for Realmuto over paying Grandal. He is by far the better option in my mind, but I do feel strongly the Braves need a better option than FlowZuki.
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 16, 2018 9:54:29 GMT -5
I am all for trading for Realmuto over paying Grandal. He is by far the better option in my mind, but I do feel strongly the Braves need a better option than FlowZuki. I agree that he is a much better option than Grandal, but at what cost? Are we gonna give up a package such as say Newcomb, Gohara, Soroka, Contreras, and Riley (pick your own names) to get this guy? From what I've read, that's not too far off. I don't really agree that we're hurting at catcher. Our current options aren't great, but they're not bad, either. Do we really wanna gut the farm system for a catcher? A very good catcher, but the price is gonna be awfully steep. 4 or 5 good prospects for a catcher? I don't know, man.....tough call.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 16, 2018 12:43:17 GMT -5
Why are the Braves high on Riley? He has shown me nothing. In 75 games at AAA at age 21, he hit 12 HR's with 47 RBI's with an OPS over .800 That is promising.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 16, 2018 12:56:13 GMT -5
I am all for trading for Realmuto over paying Grandal. He is by far the better option in my mind, but I do feel strongly the Braves need a better option than FlowZuki. I agree that he is a much better option than Grandal, but at what cost? Are we gonna give up a package such as say Newcomb, Gohara, Soroka, Contreras, and Riley (pick your own names) to get this guy? From what I've read, that's not too far off. I don't really agree that we're hurting at catcher. Our current options aren't great, but they're not bad, either. Do we really wanna gut the farm system for a catcher? A very good catcher, but the price is gonna be awfully steep. 4 or 5 good prospects for a catcher? I don't know, man.....tough call. No... I wouldn't want to gut the farm system for anything, and wouldn't. I don't know at what cost because I have no idea what we may offer and they may take. Plus when I look at the catcher position, I am looking beyond just the next season. How much more do you think we are going to get out of FlowZuki? Flowers was not good at the plate prior to coming here and after a career year he has returned to not being great, and they are both old. Outside of Flowers pitch framing, there is nothing to get exited about defensive-wise either. JTR had an OPS+ of 131 last year, and is 27. years old. We had a combined 2.7 WAR from Flowzuki last year and JTR had 4.3 himself in only 125 games. He is a helluva lot better than a "very good catcher". He might be the best catcher in the league for the next several years. We might get by in 2019 with Flowzuki... but what about 2020, 21, 22? If I can get this guy by dealing some pieces where we have depth, then I would do it... but of course I would have to see the actual deal before deciding.
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