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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Apr 11, 2019 20:10:40 GMT -5
I approve
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 11, 2019 20:12:52 GMT -5
What about the idea of this making us more likely to grab Kimbrel? Even right now, just say the hell with it and do it? I still wouldn't go 5-6 years at $80-100M, but I'd be willing to go higher for 3-4 years than I used to be.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Apr 11, 2019 22:15:16 GMT -5
What about the idea of this making us more likely to grab Kimbrel? Even right now, just say the hell with it and do it? I still wouldn't go 5-6 years at $80-100M, but I'd be willing to go higher for 3-4 years than I used to be. I’m definitely down, but only if it’s after the draft. As far as whether it affords the Braves to sign him? Absolutely. A lot of fans are still hung up on AA’s “shop down any aisle” quote, as if it meant that it was guaranteed the Braves would buy from the high-end aisle. Look, I could go into the Gucci store, I could have the money to buy whatever I wanted, but if I felt everything was overpriced, I’m not buying. The same thing works here. The Braves could sign anyone, if they wanted to, but there’s making good spending choices and making bad spending choices. I prefer they make the good ones, and there isn’t a person here who could tell me that the Braves passed on a good spending choice. Well, maybe Grandal, but from what I gather, his wife wanted him to play for a team that had ST in Arizona, so that excluded the Braves as a destination. EDIT: link to show his wife wanted him to play for a team that had ST in Arizona. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/38902327
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 11, 2019 22:54:24 GMT -5
What about the idea of this making us more likely to grab Kimbrel? Even right now, just say the hell with it and do it? I still wouldn't go 5-6 years at $80-100M, but I'd be willing to go higher for 3-4 years than I used to be. I’m definitely down, but only if it’s after the draft. As far as whether it affords the Braves to sign him? Absolutely. A lot of fans are still hung up on AA’s “shop down any aisle” quote, as if it meant that it was guaranteed the Braves would buy from the high-end aisle. Look, I could go into the Gucci store, I could have the money to buy whatever I wanted, but if I felt everything was overpriced, I’m not buying. The same thing works here. The Braves could sign anyone, if they wanted to, but there’s making good spending choices and making bad spending choices. I prefer they make the good ones, and there isn’t a person here who could tell me that the Braves passed on a good spending choice. Well, maybe Grandal, but from what I gather, his wife wanted him to play for a team that had ST in Arizona, so that excluded the Braves as a destination. EDIT: link to show his wife wanted him to play for a team that had ST in Arizona. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/38902327I've been saying the same things, but if we would have given Grandal $15M I would have felt like that was too much for the one year.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Apr 12, 2019 0:20:29 GMT -5
I’m definitely down, but only if it’s after the draft. As far as whether it affords the Braves to sign him? Absolutely. A lot of fans are still hung up on AA’s “shop down any aisle” quote, as if it meant that it was guaranteed the Braves would buy from the high-end aisle. Look, I could go into the Gucci store, I could have the money to buy whatever I wanted, but if I felt everything was overpriced, I’m not buying. The same thing works here. The Braves could sign anyone, if they wanted to, but there’s making good spending choices and making bad spending choices. I prefer they make the good ones, and there isn’t a person here who could tell me that the Braves passed on a good spending choice. Well, maybe Grandal, but from what I gather, his wife wanted him to play for a team that had ST in Arizona, so that excluded the Braves as a destination. EDIT: link to show his wife wanted him to play for a team that had ST in Arizona. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/38902327I've been saying the same things, but if we would have given Grandal $15M I would have felt like that was too much for the one year. IDK, I think he’ll put up better than 2 WAR, making the deal a clear win for the team. I’d only not be happy about the 1 year. I think he’s worth 2 or 3 years, but MLB free agency is super weird right now. Hearing a lot of chatter about the reason all these players are signing extensions right now is because they’re expecting a lock out and want guaranteed money.
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Post by akod on Aug 22, 2019 22:52:29 GMT -5
You don’t, but I’d be surprised if they made moves like that this off-season. The argument is the regression of players once signed. Sanchez put up a season we can be happy with. Now if he had been paid Derek Lowe money it would be an expectation for those results. Do you remember the years we could not wait to shed BJ, Uggla, Johnson, etc contracts? We had to give these guys more chances than they deserved to show a sliver of value at the cost of winning games. Fact is we have so much cheap talent with hardly any liability that it would behoove us to see what we have internally vs being strapped to contracts. AA looking short term is the smartest move he could make IMO. If Josh Donaldson takes a 1 year deal you sign him even if we have to bid more. Risk is limited to his ability to stay healthy, then assess again next year. Teams change so much from year to year this is a really smart way to go about our team due to the amount of assets we hold. If you are the orioles with no future and need to fill seats then sure, go balls to the wall. Let’s all hope the Phillies spend themselves into purgatory. Fun to look back on old posts and feel vindicated for advocating and defending the JD signing.
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Post by bravter on Aug 22, 2019 23:50:35 GMT -5
The best thing about baseball is it's not that easy to predict.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 23, 2019 6:30:59 GMT -5
We could do this daily here. I've read about 1080 proclamations of absolute fact about rhe Braves that have proven to be completely wrong. Wait until we lose 2 games in a row next week or a reliever allows a run and we will see another 40-50.
We all make those mistakes.... some a lot more than others, lol
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Aug 23, 2019 8:06:27 GMT -5
We could do this daily here. I've read about 1080 proclamations of absolute fact about rhe Braves that have proven to be completely wrong. Wait until we lose 2 games in a row next week or a reliever allows a run and we will see another 40-50. We all make those mistakes.... some a lot more than others, lol Honestly, I felt AA was all in on the prospects, so I thought Riley was gonna get the nod. Glad I was wrong. Riley is good, but JD has been invaluable.
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Post by keystone61 on Aug 23, 2019 11:12:15 GMT -5
We could do this daily here. I've read about 1080 proclamations of absolute fact about rhe Braves that have proven to be completely wrong. Wait until we lose 2 games in a row next week or a reliever allows a run and we will see another 40-50. We all make those mistakes.... some a lot more than others, lol For me, it happens in the heat of the moment. Best not to post during a bullpen meltdown.........but I'm sure I'll do it again
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Post by peteorr on Aug 23, 2019 14:51:00 GMT -5
What about the idea of this making us more likely to grab Kimbrel? Even right now, just say the hell with it and do it? I still wouldn't go 5-6 years at $80-100M, but I'd be willing to go higher for 3-4 years than I used to be. I’m definitely down, but only if it’s after the draft. As far as whether it affords the Braves to sign him? Absolutely. A lot of fans are still hung up on AA’s “shop down any aisle” quote, as if it meant that it was guaranteed the Braves would buy from the high-end aisle. Look, I could go into the Gucci store, I could have the money to buy whatever I wanted, but if I felt everything was overpriced, I’m not buying. The same thing works here. The Braves could sign anyone, if they wanted to, but there’s making good spending choices and making bad spending choices. I prefer they make the good ones, and there isn’t a person here who could tell me that the Braves passed on a good spending choice. Well, maybe Grandal, but from what I gather, his wife wanted him to play for a team that had ST in Arizona, so that excluded the Braves as a destination. EDIT: link to show his wife wanted him to play for a team that had ST in Arizona. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/38902327I really don't agree with this. The Braves should be spending more and should actually be able to shop down any aisle. The TV deal isn't as bad as they say and the Braves have a brand new stadium. Look at DOB's Twitter. He's said the Braves need to make a competitive offer for Donaldson this offseason and that they won't be getting Rendon or Cole. All that fans are taught to expect is the Braves should TRY to re-sign Donaldson. What high end acquisitions have the Braves made since Liberty Media bought the team in 2007? The big acquisitions for the Braves were not considered big compared to acquisitions MLB wide. The notable names that I can recall via free agency and trade are Derek Lowe, Dan Uggla, and the Uptons. To go back to more notable acquisitions for better or worse: Sheffield, Drew, Teixeira, Hampton, and Maddux, you go back to prior ownerships. Hudson and McGriff were prior ownerships, Kenny Lofton, etc.
The Braves current payroll ranks 14th. It is less than 8 thousand dollars above league average. www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/ The Braves had flexibility during the season because opening day payroll was even lower than closing day payroll from season prior.
For context the Braves were only $3.5M below league average before they began blowing up the team in 2015.
Three years of a new stadium has done effectively nothing so far to increase spending.
The Braves are so spending conscious or risk averse that they won't commit to anything. A two year deal for Brantley was probably deemed impossible by ownership/GM and we got Markakis instead. The payroll is only what it is due to in season acquisitions. Granted the Braves did ultimately get Keuchel, but what were the chances that he would sign? Would Liberty Media have okayed the spending if Keuchel was more of a "nice to have" than a "this player is very much needed"? Remember in season when the bullpen was a disaster before Kimbrel had signed? AA was asked about a Kimbrel chant during a game and he admitted to hearing it and joked that one of his staffers started the chant. Remember The Athletic interviews of AA/McGuirk? They'd talk about glide slope. Remember when the Braves went to arbitration with Folty over $100k? Then we later figure out about the replica championship belt that the Braves were in the running for (award given to teams that are best at keeping arbitration salaries down). Current ownership is running a big scam and it works because we've been brainwashed over the years taking things at face value from the owners of the team, the GMs and other employees of the team, and from the beat writers and other people who earn their living promoting the Braves. At this point people just root for the team out of habit or something and don't pay attention to much or any of the behind the scenes details. It also helps ownership how fandom works in general. Fans don't typically switch to another team in the same league.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 23, 2019 16:13:08 GMT -5
I'm not really taught anything by DOB's twitter.
Everyone thinks money equals success and solves all issues, yet here we sit poised to be successful for several years, and doing better than a lot of teams who spend more money than we do as we keep some money back knowing for example that we will need to extend Freddie, Soroka, Fried et al.
... but by all means.. continue on with this so very tired argument.
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Post by jahgentle on Aug 23, 2019 23:31:40 GMT -5
I’m definitely down, but only if it’s after the draft. As far as whether it affords the Braves to sign him? Absolutely. A lot of fans are still hung up on AA’s “shop down any aisle” quote, as if it meant that it was guaranteed the Braves would buy from the high-end aisle. Look, I could go into the Gucci store, I could have the money to buy whatever I wanted, but if I felt everything was overpriced, I’m not buying. The same thing works here. The Braves could sign anyone, if they wanted to, but there’s making good spending choices and making bad spending choices. I prefer they make the good ones, and there isn’t a person here who could tell me that the Braves passed on a good spending choice. Well, maybe Grandal, but from what I gather, his wife wanted him to play for a team that had ST in Arizona, so that excluded the Braves as a destination. EDIT: link to show his wife wanted him to play for a team that had ST in Arizona. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/38902327I really don't agree with this. The Braves should be spending more and should actually be able to shop down any aisle. The TV deal isn't as bad as they say and the Braves have a brand new stadium. Look at DOB's Twitter. He's said the Braves need to make a competitive offer for Donaldson this offseason and that they won't be getting Rendon or Cole. All that fans are taught to expect is the Braves should TRY to re-sign Donaldson. What high end acquisitions have the Braves made since Liberty Media bought the team in 2007? The big acquisitions for the Braves were not considered big compared to acquisitions MLB wide. The notable names that I can recall via free agency and trade are Derek Lowe, Dan Uggla, and the Uptons. To go back to more notable acquisitions for better or worse: Sheffield, Drew, Teixeira, Hampton, and Maddux, you go back to prior ownerships. Hudson and McGriff were prior ownerships, Kenny Lofton, etc.
The Braves current payroll ranks 14th. It is less than 8 thousand dollars above league average. www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/ The Braves had flexibility during the season because opening day payroll was even lower than closing day payroll from season prior.
For context the Braves were only $3.5M below league average before they began blowing up the team in 2015.
Three years of a new stadium has done effectively nothing so far to increase spending.
The Braves are so spending conscious or risk averse that they won't commit to anything. A two year deal for Brantley was probably deemed impossible by ownership/GM and we got Markakis instead. The payroll is only what it is due to in season acquisitions. Granted the Braves did ultimately get Keuchel, but what were the chances that he would sign? Would Liberty Media have okayed the spending if Keuchel was more of a "nice to have" than a "this player is very much needed"? Remember in season when the bullpen was a disaster before Kimbrel had signed? AA was asked about a Kimbrel chant during a game and he admitted to hearing it and joked that one of his staffers started the chant. Remember The Athletic interviews of AA/McGuirk? They'd talk about glide slope. Remember when the Braves went to arbitration with Folty over $100k? Then we later figure out about the replica championship belt that the Braves were in the running for (award given to teams that are best at keeping arbitration salaries down). Current ownership is running a big scam and it works because we've been brainwashed over the years taking things at face value from the owners of the team, the GMs and other employees of the team, and from the beat writers and other people who earn their living promoting the Braves. At this point people just root for the team out of habit or something and don't pay attention to much or any of the behind the scenes details. It also helps ownership how fandom works in general. Fans don't typically switch to another team in the same league.
They spent it all on coke and whores like they always do.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 23, 2019 23:56:03 GMT -5
Please use the proper terminology, Canadian...
"Hookers and Blow"
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Post by jahgentle on Aug 24, 2019 0:00:02 GMT -5
Please use the proper terminology, Canadian... "Hookers and Blow" Hookers, blow, Fahrenheit not Celsius and no metric system. I think I got it now.
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