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Post by brady2705 on Jun 17, 2018 7:24:25 GMT -5
2018=1991
Parallels are overwhelming. Lefty who's developing a tremendous changeup. Righty who's realizing how to harness his stuff and blow folks away.
Anyone know where we can find a Maddux so we can fast-forward to 1995?
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 17, 2018 7:39:55 GMT -5
Soroka is bigger and throws harder, but he's a wily dude like Mad Dog. Ain't but one Mad Dog, though.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 17, 2018 8:00:08 GMT -5
I've been on the Folty=Smoltz train from the moment he arrived here.
The parallels there are plentifully. Newcomb is a lefty, but his stuff and pitching style are very different than Glavine.
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Post by brady2705 on Jun 17, 2018 8:49:25 GMT -5
I've been on the Folty=Smoltz train from the moment he arrived here. The parallels there are plentifully. Newcomb is a lefty, but his stuff and pitching style are very different than Glavine. Thing is, I'd have agreed with you on Newcomb a year ago. This year, he's less worried about throwing 96. Instead, he's working easy at 92-93, and ramping up to 95+ only when he wants to. Granted, Glavine never had that weapon in his hip pocket, but Newcomb's styling and finesse is becoming very Glavine-like. He's throwing that improved changeup A LOT. He's backed off using his curve quite a bit - like his big fastball, it's a weapon he strategically uses now, and its rare usage makes it all the better. So, yeah, what I'm seeing is a lefty who doesn't go max-effort on his fastball, and mostly relies on spotting a low-effort FB with a changeup to mix his speeds. That's very Glavine-like, but I agree his raw stuff is much better than Glavine ever possessed.
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 17, 2018 8:52:20 GMT -5
I've been on the Folty=Smoltz train from the moment he arrived here. The parallels there are plentifully. Newcomb is a lefty, but his stuff and pitching style are very different than Glavine. Yeah, left-handedness is pretty much where it begins and ends with that comparison. Allard sounds like a closer comparison to Glavine. One thing any pitcher can learn from Glavine is to never give in to the hitter. That dude would walk you before he'd give in.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 17, 2018 9:38:13 GMT -5
I've been on the Folty=Smoltz train from the moment he arrived here. The parallels there are plentifully. Newcomb is a lefty, but his stuff and pitching style are very different than Glavine. Thing is, I'd have agreed with you on Newcomb a year ago. This year, he's less worried about throwing 96. Instead, he's working easy at 92-93, and ramping up to 95+ only when he wants to. Granted, Glavine never had that weapon in his hip pocket, but Newcomb's styling and finesse is becoming very Glavine-like. He's throwing that improved changeup A LOT. He's backed off using his curve quite a bit - like his big fastball, it's a weapon he strategically uses now, and its rare usage makes it all the better. So, yeah, what I'm seeing is a lefty who doesn't go max-effort on his fastball, and mostly relies on spotting a low-effort FB with a changeup to mix his speeds. That's very Glavine-like, but I agree his raw stuff is much better than Glavine ever possessed. Glavine, much like Maddux, relied on pinpoint control and constantly painted the black. Newcomb doesn't have close to that controland can blow people away with his fastball which he can easily bring at 94. I think he's much more like 1991-93 Avery than Glavine in actual pitching style. Avery had the 94-95 mph fastball and that sweeping breaking ball.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 17, 2018 9:50:47 GMT -5
I hope that Newcomb can be more like Glavine in terms of longevity, but I think we sometimes forget how good Avery was, 91-93
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 17, 2018 10:07:39 GMT -5
Avery was unhittable during the 1991 NLCS against the Pirates. It's easy to forget that he won 2 1-0 games in that series.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jun 17, 2018 11:47:04 GMT -5
Saw highlights of Newk’s performance. Those sliders to Hosmer were ridiculous. Where have those been? With the fastball, curve, the improved change-up, and that slider Newk could be a legit Ace. Imagine, if you will
1st time through - Fastball, change 2nd time through - Fastball, change, curve 3rd time through - Fastball, change, curve, slider
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Post by Larrys HOF Jersey on Jun 18, 2018 9:35:49 GMT -5
I mean, I'm not opposed to comparing players to past players. However, I am little hesitant to compare two young guys to a couple first ballot hall of famers. Which is why I don't really ever compare players.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 18, 2018 9:56:10 GMT -5
I mean, I'm not opposed to comparing players to past players. However, I am little hesitant to compare two young guys to a couple first ballot hall of famers. Which is why I don't really ever compare players. I agree, but I do think the comparison is just in reference to the start of all their careers, not an attempt to say these guys will be as good as Glavine and Smoltz for their entire career.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 18, 2018 10:28:00 GMT -5
Exactly... I think Newk compares to 1991-93 Avery..
I certainly hope his career is longer. I am not predicting he tears up a muscle and is done in 2 years.
Folty is much like Smoltz, but in no way am I comparing their careers or HOG potential. Simply... Folty at this point is much like Smoltzy when he first began to harness his emotions and potential.
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 18, 2018 11:33:41 GMT -5
Yeah, the comparisons are valid. The question is longevity, which is obviously unpredictable.
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Post by Drkirby on Jun 18, 2018 13:31:04 GMT -5
Touki=Pedro Martinez
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 18, 2018 13:42:29 GMT -5
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