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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 7, 2018 22:50:16 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks the Braves should have kept Kemp won’t think so a year from now.
BTW, the Braves made an offer for Machado. It wasn’t a clear cut winner.
Update: Of the 7 teams who sent offers, the Braves’ offer was the 5th best.
All I gotta say to that is good.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 8, 2018 0:02:59 GMT -5
Is Machado a winning player? He obviously puts up numbers, but it's a valid question, not just for him, but for any player you add at mid-season.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 8, 2018 0:26:27 GMT -5
Is Machado a winning player? He obviously puts up numbers, but it's a valid question, not just for him, but for any player you add at mid-season. Define winning player. If it's team wins then no. If it's being a really good player then yes.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 8, 2018 6:30:23 GMT -5
Not one good move? Anibal Sanchez and Charlie Culberson would like a word. Charlie is doing ok but in no way is he doing Kemp good. Sanchez has been good but I really don't think AA expected him to ever make the roster.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 8, 2018 6:37:28 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks the Braves should have kept Kemp won’t think so a year from now. BTW, the Braves made an offer for Machado. It wasn’t a clear cut winner. Update: Of the 7 teams who sent offers, the Braves’ offer was the 5th best. All I gotta say to that is good. Why will I not think so next yr? are we signing Manny? there is no one else on the market who is a great player. I keep hearing you guys talk of part-time Pollock or 1 tool Harper. but fact is they both are currently Less valuable than Kemp.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 8, 2018 8:21:46 GMT -5
Not one good move? Anibal Sanchez and Charlie Culberson would like a word. Charlie is doing ok but in no way is he doing Kemp good. Sanchez has been good but I really don't think AA expected him to ever make the roster. He didn't get Culberson to replace Kemp. He got Culberson to be Culberson and he has done quite well. He also took a flyer on Sanchez instead of many other choices he could have made, and those two are big reasons we've been at the topmof the division instead of 5 back. Of course though, you seem to have an agenda with your current narrative, so I don't expect you to see anything positive. It's all about your short-sighted view of Matt Kemp. You won't see anything positive about letting Kemp go next season when we use that money to make a FA signing.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 8, 2018 8:30:55 GMT -5
but fact is they both are currently Less valuable than Kemp. That comment right there somes up your short-sightedness. Not to say you are not right about Kemp right this moment, but when the decisions were made they were made trying to look beyond this one single season. No one expected the team to be ready to make a serious run this year, and the GM has to look at long term goals. You though can only see this one aeason and nothing beyond. As a GM, that would be a recipe for total organizational failure.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 8, 2018 9:33:08 GMT -5
Is Machado a winning player? He obviously puts up numbers, but it's a valid question, not just for him, but for any player you add at mid-season. Define winning player. If it's team wins then no. If it's being a really good player then yes. I think you know what I meant. Things like clubhouse reputation, hustling out every ground ball and pop fly, being a good teammate in general, and making those around him better. Intangibles are important.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 8, 2018 14:48:29 GMT -5
but fact is they both are currently Less valuable than Kemp. That comment right there somes up your short-sightedness. Not to say you are not right about Kemp right this moment, but when the decisions were made they were made trying to look beyond this one single season. No one expected the team to be ready to make a serious run this year, and the GM has to look at long term goals. You though can only see this one aeason and nothing beyond. As a GM, that would be a recipe for total organizational failure. how is it short-sighted to say kemp Eright now is better than both Harper and Pollock? And tell me what FA are we going to sign who is better than Kemp? I understand we needed to open a spot for Acuna but CF is His spot. short-sighted is any GM who would waste 20+million a season on Harper or Pollock on long-term deals.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 8, 2018 14:49:22 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks the Braves should have kept Kemp won’t think so a year from now. BTW, the Braves made an offer for Machado. It wasn’t a clear cut winner. Update: Of the 7 teams who sent offers, the Braves’ offer was the 5th best. All I gotta say to that is good. Why will I not think so next yr? are we signing Manny? there is no one else on the market who is a great player. I keep hearing you guys talk of part-time Pollock or 1 tool Harper. but fact is they both are currently Less valuable than Kemp. Matt Kemp is not a great player. He’s having a great year, no doubt, but he’s not a great player. The Braves will have &80 million to spend this off-season. They’re gonna get a top level free agent. Certainly someone who’s a better player than Matt Kemp.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 8, 2018 14:52:05 GMT -5
Define winning player. If it's team wins then no. If it's being a really good player then yes. I think you know what I meant. Things like clubhouse reputation, hustling out every ground ball and pop fly, being a good teammate in general, and making those around him better. Intangibles are important. I haven’t heard anything that would make one believe that he isn’t any of those things.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 8, 2018 14:52:21 GMT -5
Define winning player. If it's team wins then no. If it's being a really good player then yes. I think you know what I meant. Things like clubhouse reputation, hustling out every ground ball and pop fly, being a good teammate in general, and making those around him better. Intangibles are important. I haven’t heard anything that would make one believe that he isn’t any of those things.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 8, 2018 14:58:05 GMT -5
That comment right there somes up your short-sightedness. Not to say you are not right about Kemp right this moment, but when the decisions were made they were made trying to look beyond this one single season. No one expected the team to be ready to make a serious run this year, and the GM has to look at long term goals. You though can only see this one aeason and nothing beyond. As a GM, that would be a recipe for total organizational failure. how is it short-sighted to say kemp Eright now is better than both Harper and Pollock? And tell me what FA are we going to sign who is better than Kemp? I understand we needed to open a spot for Acuna but CF is His spot. short-sighted is any GM who would waste 20+million a season on Harper or Pollock on long-term deals. Short sighted because you are comparing a future signing that we will have for several seasons to what Kemp is doing this one single year. I think it's pretty clear to everyone how the phrase short-sighted applies here.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 8, 2018 15:06:01 GMT -5
how is it short-sighted to say kemp Eright now is better than both Harper and Pollock? And tell me what FA are we going to sign who is better than Kemp? I understand we needed to open a spot for Acuna but CF is His spot. short-sighted is any GM who would waste 20+million a season on Harper or Pollock on long-term deals. Short sighted because you are comparing a future signing that we will have for several seasons to what Kemp is doing this one single year. I think it's pretty clear to everyone how the phrase short-sighted applies here. NOT true ...I am saying 2 yrs of kemp then signing an FA after that is better than trading him for nothing and then signing one of the guys who are FA this yr. unless we somehow can get Manny. the crop of players available is overhyped.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 15:28:09 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks the Braves should have kept Kemp won’t think so a year from now. BTW, the Braves made an offer for Machado. It wasn’t a clear cut winner. Update: Of the 7 teams who sent offers, the Braves’ offer was the 5th best. All I gotta say to that is good. I want no part of a deal that includes Austin Riley plus We all know that Machado would be a two plus month rental and we know they will not pay to keep him so might as well stay the course on that one And the way the pitching has been as of late -- who knows where we will be in the standings on July 31st Getting a bit worried about Newcomb -- 3 straight sub par starts. Its not good what he is doing as of late Still want the Simmons for Newcomb trade now??? I don't know but that is a good debate Newcomb is in a slump and deserves to be called out for it -- he stinks right now
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