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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 20, 2019 19:14:57 GMT -5
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Post by bravter on Jul 21, 2019 21:58:06 GMT -5
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 21, 2019 22:10:08 GMT -5
I don't recall a single one, and Brooks baseball says he threw 60 four seam fastballs and 24 splitters.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 21, 2019 23:49:08 GMT -5
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 22, 2019 6:47:21 GMT -5
You know, his first start of the season was very similar to this one, so we'll see how it goes from here in.
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Post by PABraveFan on Jul 22, 2019 9:48:47 GMT -5
Please...not Zach Wheeler!
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Post by mauibravefan on Jul 22, 2019 13:35:39 GMT -5
With Teheran,Fried,Keuchel,Soroka.Newcomb and A great start for Gausman and Folty on the horizon how much future potential should we surrender for a starter? Remembering that our international capabilities are hamstrung for the immediate future
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 22, 2019 13:56:26 GMT -5
With Teheran,Fried,Keuchel,Soroka.Newcomb and A great start for Gausman and Folty on the horizon how much future potential should we surrender for a starter? Remembering that our international capabilities are hamstrung for the immediate future I agree. We do need a closer and we should give up something that hurts a bit to get a good one. But I’m ok with not giving up anything painful for a starter. I’d like to have one more decent starter if it doesn’t cost much. Not interested in any of the big names.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 22, 2019 13:58:46 GMT -5
Stroman out, Giles in?
Latest On Braves’ Trade Targets July 21st, 2019 at 6:23pm CST • By Mark Polishuk Reports from earlier this month suggested that the Braves hadn’t had any talks with the Blue Jays about Marcus Stroman, and ten days later, this is still the case, according to David O’Brien of The Athletic (Twitter link). It could be that the Braves are more focused on another Toronto pitcher in closer Ken Giles, as O’Brien writes that “I get [the] impression Giles could be a target” for Atlanta.
The Braves were one of eight teams who had scouts on hand Friday to watch Stroman’s most recent start, though as with many “scouts were in attendance…” types of reports at this time of year, this could be due diligence as much as a case of genuine interest on Atlanta’s part. Given that the Jays were facing another out-of-contention team in the Tigers, the Braves could have been more focused on some of Detroit’s trade candidates, in addition to Stroman, Giles, or other trade chips on the Blue Jays roster. (Giles, for the record, didn’t pitch on Friday through he did toss a scoreless inning for the save in Saturday’s game.)
Beyond just scouting, the Braves obviously have a very well-informed source on all things Stroman in general manager Alex Anthopoulos, whose front office made Stroman the 22nd overall pick in 2012 when Anthopoulos was Toronto’s GM. There has been some speculation as to whether any hard feelings between Anthopoulos and current Jays management could hamper any trade talks between the two clubs, though The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal (Twitter links) notes that the Blue Jays’ “stance has softened” about making deals with Atlanta, if a particularly hard line was taken at all.
Toronto is known to be seeking a big return for Stroman, and the “ask is high” on Giles as well, in O’Brien’s words. Giles is not only under team control through 2020, but he is also one of the very best relievers on the trade market this month. The 28-year-old righty has a 1.64 ERA, 5.7 K/BB rate, and an enormous 15.55 K/9 over 33 innings this season.
Armed with a fastball that has above-average spin (as per Statcast) and an average velocity of 97.3 mph, Giles has quietly been one of baseball’s more dominant closers, and is seemingly all the way back to top form after running into some difficulties on the field and off with the Astros in 2017-18. While postseason struggles were a big part of Giles’ issues in Houston, he still represents a more proven ninth-inning answer than the Braves’ current closer, Luke Jackson.
Like many other teams, the Braves aren’t keen on giving up their top prospects for rental players, making Stroman (who also has an arbitration year remaining) and Giles more palatable trade targets since they can also help the club in 2020. Just one year of control, however, might not be enough to pry away some of the Braves’ top prospects from their highly-rated farm system. Gabriel Burns of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution lists right-handers Ian Anderson and Kyle Wright and outfielders Cristian Pache and Drew Waters (the Braves’ top four minor leaguers, according to MLB.com’s rankings) as the youngsters that could be closest to untouchable in trade discussions. None would be dealt “unless it’s for a controllable difference maker,” Burns writes, and it remains to be seen if the Braves would consider Stroman or Giles at that level. This is purely my opinion, but I doubt Atlanta would deal any of those prospects for a reliever, even one as talented as Giles.
It’s easy for fans or armchair GMs to argue that the Braves should be more forthcoming to deal from their large wealth of prospects, though ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (subscription required) noted that these minor leaguers are particularly important to a Braves organization that is more than a little hamstrung in the international market due to the signing violations that cost former GM John Coppolella his job in 2017. Since the Braves front office also seems to be operating with a mid-level payroll at best, it makes the pipeline of talent like Pache, Anderson, Wright, and Waters all the more important to the team going forward.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 22, 2019 17:24:50 GMT -5
With Teheran,Fried,Keuchel,Soroka.Newcomb and A great start for Gausman and Folty on the horizon how much future potential should we surrender for a starter? Remembering that our international capabilities are hamstrung for the immediate future I agree. We do need a closer and we should give up something that hurts a bit to get a good one. But I’m ok with not giving up anything painful for a starter. I’d like to have one more decent starter if it doesn’t cost much. Not interested in any of the big names. Thing is, if one move could put us past the Dodgers, it'd be different. They're a friggin juggernaut right now, and I just don't know about getting by them this year no matter what we do. I mean, we could, but it's just not very likely. The only starter I would really want would be a lefty who's tough on lefties to counteract those bastages. I mean, it's not like we'd definitely be playing them, but that's how I'd be thinking regarding grades trades.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 22, 2019 19:27:05 GMT -5
I agree. We do need a closer and we should give up something that hurts a bit to get a good one. But I’m ok with not giving up anything painful for a starter. I’d like to have one more decent starter if it doesn’t cost much. Not interested in any of the big names. Thing is, if one move could put us past the Dodgers, it'd be different. They're a friggin juggernaut right now, and I just don't know about getting by them this year no matter what we do. I mean, we could, but it's just not very likely. The only starter I would really want would be a lefty who's tough on lefties to counteract those bastages. I mean, it's not like we'd definitely be playing them, but that's how I'd be thinking regarding grades trades. I completely agree, but as I pointed out earlier, the Dodgers are a poor road team. They're only 27-23 and I think that's a vulnerability. With Keuchel, and Fried who was good against them in the playoffs, and Newcomb, I don't think it's out of the question that we could beat them in the playoffs. I wouldn't give up one of our top 5-6 prospects, but a legit closer would go a long way in increasing our chances against them in my opinion. For all the talk about how great they are, we were only 4.5 games behind them last week for the top spot in the NL. The odds are pretty strong they would beat us, enough so that I don't want to give up any top prospects to take a shot at them, but I also don't think it's out of the question that we could take them even without making any earth shattering moves. A lot would have to go right, but I don't think it's out of the question.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 22, 2019 22:02:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't wanna give up guys like Wright, Anderson, Pache, and Waters. Wright hasn't looked good in the majors, but the stuff is there. I'd hate to see him go somewhere and turn into a number one. Guys like Touki, Wilson, Contreras, and Minter seem expendable to me although I'm sure at least one of them makes it. Trades are tough, especially when you're on the brink like we are.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 22, 2019 22:34:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't wanna give up guys like Wright, Anderson, Pache, and Waters. Wright hasn't looked good in the majors, but the stuff is there. I'd hate to see him go somewhere and turn into a number one. Guys like Touki, Wilson, Contreras, and Minter seem expendable to me although I'm sure at least one of them makes it. Trades are tough, especially when you're on the brink like we are. I know Demeritte doesn't have a ton of value, but he has to help some in a package.....Duvall, and to me Ender is highly expendable for us--right now he's a way better defensive CFer than Acuna obviously, but I'm so confident Pache will be ready soon that I have no problem dealing Ender. That's probably a pipe dream because Snitker loves Ender. But I honestly feel like right now if we dealt Ender, we could bring in Pache and get as good a player defensively and a better offensive player right now. I wouldn't want to give up Wright or Wilson, although a guy like Wilson could be a price to pay to get a good starter or closer. I think Wilson has looked real good at times. He just pitched a really good game yesterday. Alex Jackson is another guy that I wouldn't want to trade, but getting a legit closer could be worth it. The only thing I know for sure is I'm glad I'm not the guy who has to make these decisions!
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 23, 2019 10:20:23 GMT -5
So..........I guess Darren O'Day is never gonna pitch for the Braves, huh? Must be nice to sit on your ass and cash really large checks.
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Post by papabrave on Jul 28, 2019 6:38:18 GMT -5
i read somewhere yesterday that the BlueJays scouts were at Tristan Becks game the other day . Solely to watch him pitch . We are rumored to be interested Sogard or Giles involving him.
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