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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 26, 2021 13:41:31 GMT -5
Gore in for Camargo Kyle Wright in for Webb Gore in for Camargo is about dumb as shiite. If anything it should have been Pache. It really is asinine. The handling of a bunch of our players has been retarded. When you look at having added Camargo for the series against the Dodgers, why in the hell did they do that after not even calling him up the last week of the season to get some big league AB's? If there was any snowballs chance in hell they might use him in the playoffs, the least they could have done was get him up the last 4-5 days and start him every day. But they didn't. Then he sat for two weeks after the Stripers season ended, and all of a sudden he's supposed to step up and hit Dodger pitching. There's so many other ignorant uses of our players it's just ridiculous. We seem really proud of all of our starters playing every inning every day, articles have been written about how cool that is, and TV announcers talk about it like it's awesome. With total disregard for the fact you're asking guys who are marginal MLB players to begin with to come off the bench all of a sudden at the end of close playoff games and somehow pray they miraculously can come through. I think we have like one pinch hit in the playoffs so far, which was a broken bat dunker down the line by Adrianza, and we've had these guys come up in key spots almost every game......and make outs, exactly as should be expected.
It really is a credit to the talent level and abilities of our starting players that they are able to overcome so much.
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Post by dirt on Oct 26, 2021 13:49:17 GMT -5
Gore in for Camargo Kyle Wright in for Webb I really don't get the Gore thing. I know he's fast on fast, and sure, that could pay off at some point, but it's like we're carrying one less hitter. Seems to me another capable bat is better than a fast munchkin. I agree but in this case we don’t have another capable bat anyhow, I mean Arcia is still on the roster, no hit Gore takes the spot of no hit Camargo, etc. We gained speed and lost nothing, whether the speed will help is anyones guess.
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 26, 2021 14:19:28 GMT -5
I really don't get the Gore thing. I know he's fast on fast, and sure, that could pay off at some point, but it's like we're carrying one less hitter. Seems to me another capable bat is better than a fast munchkin. I agree but in this case we don’t have another capable bat anyhow, I mean Arcia is still on the roster, no hit Gore takes the spot of no hit Camargo, etc. We gained speed and lost nothing, whether the speed will help is anyones guess. That's what you have to say? No-hit Camargo? Really?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 26, 2021 14:21:45 GMT -5
I agree but in this case we don’t have another capable bat anyhow, I mean Arcia is still on the roster, no hit Gore takes the spot of no hit Camargo, etc. We gained speed and lost nothing, whether the speed will help is anyones guess. That's what you have to say? No-hit Camargo? Really? I wonder how many hits Freddie would have, or Mike Trout, or Ronald Acuna, or how well they'd do in the playoffs if they got 20 big league ABs in an entire season.
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 26, 2021 14:25:40 GMT -5
That's what you have to say? No-hit Camargo? Really? I wonder how many hits Freddie would have, or Mike Trout, or Ronald Acuna, or how well they'd do in the playoffs if they got 20 big league ABs in an entire season. The guy's had 4 at-bats, but he's "no-hit Camargo". Terance Gore, whoever the f/uck that is, is a better choice. It's like the Braves are more focused on finding some feel-good story than they are on winning the damn World Series. So idiotic. Terance Gore belongs on the roster about as much as I do.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Oct 26, 2021 14:27:34 GMT -5
Gore is a complete waste of a spot, as Camargo would have been. I’m ok with Wright essentially taking Ynoa’s spot, but I don’t get Lee. Does RR have some undisclosed injury? I don’t get him not pitching this whole postseason. I know he struggled some down the stretch, but he has to be a better option than Lee.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 26, 2021 14:41:14 GMT -5
Snitker thinks Gore and Lee look like baseball player guys, and that Rodriguez doesn't. And apparently Pache. Pache could be the baseball pinch runner guy, and he could be used defensively in the outfield, and he did have strong finish with the bat, if a game goes extra innings he could have come in handy there too. He has more than one possible use. The Gore think is just inexcusable. I'll bet Gore himself can't believe it. It's not even far fetched to say that Pache is a better choice than Heredia. But in reality, Pache should have been up with the big club in September getting some playing time, especially the last week or two. The lack or preparation for these players is just astounding, knowing we'll need them at the end of games in important situations.
If someone wants to make the argument that Heredia is better choice, then tell me why he only got 7 ABs in the month of September? He did play the final weekend in October and got 7 more AB's, but he finished with 1 hit in those 14 ABs. What kind of way is that to prepare a guy who is going to be on your playoff roster? And we've sent him up to the plate 3 times already in the playoffs, with some kind of prayer he'll do something. It's nuts.
Look at Heredia's numbers to end the season and justify how he's a better choice than Pache? Keeping in mind that Pache could have been up at the end of the season getting ABs, even if for just the last week or two.
Heredia:
July .170/.233/.223/.456 August .167/.259/.292/.551 September .143/.500/.143/.643 October .000/.125/.000/.125
I know he's on the team for defense, but no one can tell me he's as good there as Pache.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Oct 26, 2021 14:48:16 GMT -5
Snitker thinks Gore and Lee look like baseball player guys, and that Rodriguez doesn't. And apparently Pache. Pache could be the baseball pinch runner guy, and he could be used defensively in the outfield, and he did have strong finish with the bat, if a game goes extra innings he could have come in handy there too. He has more than one possible use. The Gore think is just inexcusable. I'll bet Gore himself can't believe it. It's not even far fetched to say that Pache is a better choice than Heredia. But in reality, Pache should have been up with the big club in September getting some playing time, especially the last week or two. The lack or preparation for these players is just astounding, knowing we'll need them at the end of games in important situations.
If someone wants to make the argument that Heredia is better choice, then tell me why he only got 7 ABs in the month of September? He did play the final weekend in October and got 7 more AB's, but he finished with 1 hit in those 14 ABs. What kind of way is that to prepare a guy who is going to be on your playoff roster? And we've sent him up to the plate 3 times already in the playoffs, with some kind of prayer he'll do something. It's nuts.
Look at Heredia's numbers to end the season and justify how he's a better choice than Pache? Keeping in mind that Pache could have been up at the end of the season getting ABs, even if for just the last week or two.
Heredia:
July .170/.233/.223/.456 August .167/.259/.292/.551 September .143/.500/.143/.643 October .000/.125/.000/.125
I know he's on the team for defense, but no one can tell me he's as good there as Pache.
The good thing is that with Houston having home field advantage, the DH removes the need for a deep bench. But that’s where I would have had Webb or RR on the roster in place of Gore.
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 26, 2021 14:48:48 GMT -5
Snitker thinks Gore and Lee look like baseball player guys, and that Rodriguez doesn't. And apparently Pache. Pache could be the baseball pinch runner guy, and he could be used defensively in the outfield, and he did have strong finish with the bat, if a game goes extra innings he could have come in handy there too. He has more than one possible use. The Gore think is just inexcusable. I'll bet Gore himself can't believe it. It's not even far fetched to say that Pache is a better choice than Heredia. But in reality, Pache should have been up with the big club in September getting some playing time, especially the last week or two. The lack or preparation for these players is just astounding, knowing we'll need them at the end of games in important situations.
If someone wants to make the argument that Heredia is better choice, then tell me why he only got 7 ABs in the month of September? He did play the final weekend in October and got 7 more AB's, but he finished with 1 hit in those 14 ABs. What kind of way is that to prepare a guy who is going to be on your playoff roster? And we've sent him up to the plate 3 times already in the playoffs, with some kind of prayer he'll do something. It's nuts.
Look at Heredia's numbers to end the season and justify how he's a better choice than Pache? Keeping in mind that Pache could have been up at the end of the season getting ABs, even if for just the last week or two.
Heredia:
July .170/.233/.223/.456 August .167/.259/.292/.551 September .143/.500/.143/.643 October .000/.125/.000/.125
I know he's on the team for defense, but no one can tell me he's as good there as Pache.
Obviously Heredia is just another no-hit guy. I mean, he had a whole 14 at-bats to prove himself! And yes, it should be Pache instead.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 26, 2021 15:12:16 GMT -5
Snitker thinks Gore and Lee look like baseball player guys, and that Rodriguez doesn't. And apparently Pache. Pache could be the baseball pinch runner guy, and he could be used defensively in the outfield, and he did have strong finish with the bat, if a game goes extra innings he could have come in handy there too. He has more than one possible use. The Gore think is just inexcusable. I'll bet Gore himself can't believe it. It's not even far fetched to say that Pache is a better choice than Heredia. But in reality, Pache should have been up with the big club in September getting some playing time, especially the last week or two. The lack or preparation for these players is just astounding, knowing we'll need them at the end of games in important situations.
If someone wants to make the argument that Heredia is better choice, then tell me why he only got 7 ABs in the month of September? He did play the final weekend in October and got 7 more AB's, but he finished with 1 hit in those 14 ABs. What kind of way is that to prepare a guy who is going to be on your playoff roster? And we've sent him up to the plate 3 times already in the playoffs, with some kind of prayer he'll do something. It's nuts.
Look at Heredia's numbers to end the season and justify how he's a better choice than Pache? Keeping in mind that Pache could have been up at the end of the season getting ABs, even if for just the last week or two.
Heredia:
July .170/.233/.223/.456 August .167/.259/.292/.551 September .143/.500/.143/.643 October .000/.125/.000/.125
I know he's on the team for defense, but no one can tell me he's as good there as Pache.
The good thing is that with Houston having home field advantage, the DH removes the need for a deep bench. But that’s where I would have had Webb or RR on the roster in place of Gore. It's all hypothetical at this point, but I feel like we're a whole lot more likely to go extra innings in our three home games (and need bats) than we are to have any magical point in any of the 7 games where we're going to benefit from having a speedy pinch runner. And again Pache could have been that pinch runner guy who also brings other things to the table. If anyone wants to claim our bench bats suck they have to keep in mind that's been multiplied by the lack of ABs they have gotten the last half of the season.
And why did we even bother to acquire Rodriguez? We can go back and look at his splits and game logs, and he wasn't that bad even when he was off. He had given up one run in his last 6 outings prior to a bad outing on the last Saturday of the season. And even with that he finished the season with a 2.97 ERA.
This was the last two months of his season, and this isn't better than trying to use Lee???
August 1.38 ERA, 0.77 WHIP, .152 BAA September 3.97 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, .244 BAA
If I was him I'd tell Snitker to kiss my ass and I'd demand a trade or sit out next year and tell Snitker to shove the money up his ass.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 26, 2021 15:47:27 GMT -5
I really don't get the Gore thing. I know he's fast on fast, and sure, that could pay off at some point, but it's like we're carrying one less hitter. Seems to me another capable bat is better than a fast munchkin. I agree but in this case we don’t have another capable bat anyhow, I mean Arcia is still on the roster, no hit Gore takes the spot of no hit Camargo, etc. We gained speed and lost nothing, whether the speed will help is anyones guess. We did lose something.. someone who can play all 4 infield spots, and left. He can replace Freddie at first and Riley at 3rd more capably than anyone on the roster. While he did go hitless during his limited time up, I would take my chances with him 100 times over 100 vs Gore. Pache could have easily filled the Gore role as well, plus offered some other tools. I can't see any spin that convinces me that I wouldn't prefer Camargo and Pache over Lee and Gore.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 26, 2021 16:00:05 GMT -5
I've heard many times Snitker say he "has a feeling" or a "hunch" about a certain player on a certain day. So he's almost assuredly going by some "hunch" or " gut feeling" he has with these player choices. You can't be managering that way in a playoff series. Moreover, you can't do it with several players at the same time. We're talking about Gore, Lee, Wright, Heredia, and Arcia in and Pache, Rodriguez, Webb and Camargo out on a hunch.
I hate the choice of Wright simply because he needs to have some time to pitch in the big leagues and settle in. He has struggled every time he's been called up, and it's obviously mental because he has had the minor leagues mastered for a couple of years now. So I think you need to be careful with him. Again, as with other guys, if you weren't going to call him up the last two weeks of the season and see how he reacts, why the hell would you throw him in the fire of World Series competition? Crazy. Let me guess, it's a "hunch."
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 26, 2021 18:00:56 GMT -5
We gave up Bryse Wilson for Rodriguez for what reason? And we bring in Wright, who can't even handle regular season games, with the possibility that he's gonna be pitching in the World Series? Neither of those moves is even in the same stratosphere as the idiocy of having Gore on the roster, though. That's about the stupidest damn thing I've ever seen, and we've done it not once, but twice. Snit did a good job in the LA series and he follows it up with sheer stupidity in his roster selection. Gore himself is probably embarrassed by the fact that he's on the roster. He must feel like a rat turd in a barrel full of rice.
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Post by dirt on Oct 26, 2021 18:10:46 GMT -5
I agree but in this case we don’t have another capable bat anyhow, I mean Arcia is still on the roster, no hit Gore takes the spot of no hit Camargo, etc. We gained speed and lost nothing, whether the speed will help is anyone's guess. That's what you have to say? No-hit Camargo? Really? Yep. I said I agreed with you, I don't care what coulda, woulda, shoulda happened. The Braves decided they wanted speed, so either Carmargo or Arcia had to go, and neither one of them have hit a lick up here this year, ie. Camargo is 0 for 20.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 26, 2021 18:33:22 GMT -5
That's what you have to say? No-hit Camargo? Really? Yep. I said I agreed with you, I don't care what coulda, woulda, shoulda happened. The Braves decided they wanted speed, so either Carmargo or Arcia had to go, and neither one of them have hit a lick up here this year, ie. Camargo is 0 for 20. And Gore has appeared in 3 MLB games over the last two years. In those three games he has recorded no ABs, no hits, no stolen bases. And that includes playoff opportunities. He was with the Dodgers last year. And we all recall him from that playoff series.
One should always care about what coulda woulda shoulda happened.
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