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Post by TomlinFoolery on Sept 8, 2021 22:19:30 GMT -5
Drew Smyly threw 16 pitches in that inning, only two of which even hit 90 mph and none were above 91.6 mph.
Both of those were to the opposing pitcher.
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Post by keystone61 on Sept 8, 2021 22:24:27 GMT -5
You guys act as if this Braves team is some juggernaut that should never lose to the lowly gnats. It isn't. It's a slightly above average baseball team.
We have no ace starter and no center fielder. We lost our most dynamic player 2 months ago, and our best starter may never pitch again. We have no dominant pitcher in our bullpen, our offense is home run driven, and both our manager and our pitching coach suck balls. We're damn lucky to be where we are.
I for one, am going to enjoy what's left and see what happens. I have hopes, but no expectations. A postseason run would be nothing short of a miracle, but it sure as hell beats being the Orioles.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Sept 8, 2021 22:34:21 GMT -5
our offense is home run driven, and both our manager and our pitching coach suck balls. Definitely no juggernaut as you mentioned, but there are also the aforementioned coaches as well that are a part of the problem. I would add Seitzer as well, given the HR or nothing approach and results. It usually takes at least one multi-run HR for this team to win. And that falls upon the hitting coach. Granted, a whole lot of teams are in the HR or nothing approach now, but a bunch of those teams are also going to whiff on the playoffs because of that. Management and coaching are DEFINITE weaknesses within this team.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 8, 2021 22:39:59 GMT -5
You guys act as if this Braves team is some juggernaut that should never lose to the lowly gnats. It isn't. It's a slightly above average baseball team. We have no ace starter and no center fielder. We lost our most dynamic player 2 months ago, and our best starter may never pitch again. We have no dominant pitcher in our bullpen, our offense is home run driven, and both our manager and our pitching coach suck balls. We're damn lucky to be where we are. I for one, am going to enjoy what's left and see what happens. I have hopes, but no expectations. A postseason run would be nothing short of a miracle, but it sure as hell beats being the Orioles. You're not wrong, but the issue I have is this was another game where we looked like we had no desire to be playing a baseball game tonight.
I watched the Marlins game too, and that Marlins team was acting like tonight was a World Series game.
It was a real stark difference to see that team so intense and playing with urgency and putting out the effort, and our guys acting like they couldn't wait to get it over with and didn't care if we won or lost.
A big question for me is how do we react that way after they almost maimed Freddie in the first inning? That should have put a real fire in our guts.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 9, 2021 0:58:34 GMT -5
This thing about no fire in our team tonight.....I didn't think too much of it at the time, but the more I've thought about the way Freddie handled being thrown at tonight....when it happened I was thinking gee that sure is nice of him, and professional, the way he took it all and talked to Soto and Dave Martinez......and then the more I thought about it the more it has irritated me that he reacted that way. He never did look at Nolin, even after being hit by the second pitch. He just immediately started talking to Barksdale, the umpire--"hey teacher, that kid broke the rules, he needs to go to the principals office." Ty Cobb would have charged the mound and spiked Nolin with both cleats in the chest. Yes, Ty Cobb was a bad person and Freddie is a great human being, but how about at some point instead of just always giving everybody handjobs he actually show some toughness and fire, is that so much to ask? How about when Soto blew the kiss towards our bullpen after hitting his mammoth home run--shouldn't our bench have cleared at that point? It didn't because we're too nice. Nice is nice in every day life, but it can be a detriment on a sports playing field. Does anybody think Lawrence Taylor's top priority was to be nice and be well liked?
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Post by keystone61 on Sept 9, 2021 1:02:02 GMT -5
It did seem that way. Innings went awfully quickly, etc. I didn't see it because I had other obligations, but I kept an eye on it through the ESPN app. I don't really know what it is with this team, but they do not appear engaged at times, but now is when you should be engaged every night. This is a pennant race.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 9, 2021 1:10:23 GMT -5
If they ever do a remake of the old TV show "Leave it to Beaver" Freddie would be a perfect fit to play the Beev as a grown up.
"Gee Wally, that mean baseball pitcher guy hit me with the ball on purpose."
Well golly Beev, did you go out there and slug him?"
"Gee Wally heck no, I want to be nice and stuff."
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 9, 2021 5:49:11 GMT -5
Emotionally, teams are a reflection of their managers.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Sept 9, 2021 8:47:04 GMT -5
You guys act as if this Braves team is some juggernaut that should never lose to the lowly gnats. It isn't. It's a slightly above average baseball team. We have no ace starter and no center fielder. We lost our most dynamic player 2 months ago, and our best starter may never pitch again. We have no dominant pitcher in our bullpen, our offense is home run driven, and both our manager and our pitching coach suck balls. We're damn lucky to be where we are. I for one, am going to enjoy what's left and see what happens. I have hopes, but no expectations. A postseason run would be nothing short of a miracle, but it sure as hell beats being the Orioles. This is what I kept trying to tell everyone dating back to Memorial day even before we lost Acuña. A lot of folk though wanted to trade the entire farm system for whatever we could get that might squeak us into the playoffs with 86 wins. Now here we sit in 1st place and still a lot of those same folk act like Braves baseball makes their entire existence miserable. Anything we do positively this year is gravy... we're in a pennant race.. we're back in the WC race even if we can't squeak out the division.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 9, 2021 9:15:59 GMT -5
Emotionally, teams are a reflection of their managers. Mostly, and also they’re team leader, and ours are both as soft as Charmin. If they handed out World Series trophies just based on how nice and what good human beings the manager and team leader were we’d be gold.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2021 10:22:17 GMT -5
This thing about no fire in our team tonight.....I didn't think too much of it at the time, but the more I've thought about the way Freddie handled being thrown at tonight....when it happened I was thinking gee that sure is nice of him, and professional, the way he took it all and talked to Soto and Dave Martinez......and then the more I thought about it the more it has irritated me that he reacted that way. He never did look at Nolin, even after being hit by the second pitch. He just immediately started talking to Barksdale, the umpire--"hey teacher, that kid broke the rules, he needs to go to the principals office." Ty Cobb would have charged the mound and spiked Nolin with both cleats in the chest. Yes, Ty Cobb was a bad person and Freddie is a great human being, but how about at some point instead of just always giving everybody handjobs he actually show some toughness and fire, is that so much to ask? How about when Soto blew the kiss towards our bullpen after hitting his mammoth home run--shouldn't our bench have cleared at that point? It didn't because we're too nice. Nice is nice in every day life, but it can be a detriment on a sports playing field. Does anybody think Lawrence Taylor's top priority was to be nice and be well liked?
I was more irritated that Freddie would be talking to the opposing manager in their dugout. I posted that earlier. What business of it for a player to be making good with the opposing manager in their territory. I saw that as soft and an overall lack of discipline. Maybe this team is no juggernaut, but for all the adversity we have in this division we should be up by at least 4 more games as I see it. We have given away too many games and much of that is on bullpen management. I do give credit to the FO for making the team better and they did not empty out the farm system. Okay, they gave up a couple of guys who might be something some time down the line, but did not give up the prospects we are counting on. But the team just seems soft, and that hugfest with Freddie and Soto well, I don't like it but going to the opposing manager was more sissyfied and irritating. A guy like Albert Belle would have beaten the hell out of Nolin. Sorry but this team needs an iron hand in this dugout, are there any Dick WIlliams A-hole guys left. I would not mind a younger version of Jim Leyland who would call people out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2021 10:27:50 GMT -5
I am glad we are in first place. I give them credit for making that great run in August.
But we sure act soft at times and even a below average pen would have us up by 3 or 4 more games.
Some of that is on Will HR Smith, how many games has he been walked off this yr, my unresearched guess would be 4 - I remember 2 in that Mia series and a couple earlier in the yr. Our guys were soft last night. And even without Acuna, we can be an offensive juggernaut when its right and play smart
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Post by keystone61 on Sept 9, 2021 11:38:23 GMT -5
You guys act as if this Braves team is some juggernaut that should never lose to the lowly gnats. It isn't. It's a slightly above average baseball team. We have no ace starter and no center fielder. We lost our most dynamic player 2 months ago, and our best starter may never pitch again. We have no dominant pitcher in our bullpen, our offense is home run driven, and both our manager and our pitching coach suck balls. We're damn lucky to be where we are. I for one, am going to enjoy what's left and see what happens. I have hopes, but no expectations. A postseason run would be nothing short of a miracle, but it sure as hell beats being the Orioles. This is what I kept trying to tell everyone dating back to Memorial day even before we lost Acuña. A lot of folk though wanted to trade the entire farm system for whatever we could get that might squeak us into the playoffs with 86 wins. Now here we sit in 1st place and still a lot of those same folk act like Braves baseball makes their entire existence miserable. Anything we do positively this year is gravy... we're in a pennant race.. we're back in the WC race even if we can't squeak out the division. Acuña, the wife beater, and Soroka. That's 3 HUGE blows to the team right there. Aqualung has also been out for a good stretch. We played 2 months with a AAA outfield and half the year with washed-up catchers. The bullpen absolutely SUCKED for long stretches, and quite frankly, it's not a whole lot better now. Sarge still can't manage and obviously never will be able to do so very well. I give credit to our guys, and 2 guys in particular.........Dansby Swanson and Austin Riley. Where would we be without the years they've had? Riley's development is the story of our season as far as I'm concerned. That alone has made the team worth watching.
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Post by keystone61 on Sept 9, 2021 16:48:22 GMT -5
This thing about no fire in our team tonight.....I didn't think too much of it at the time, but the more I've thought about the way Freddie handled being thrown at tonight....when it happened I was thinking gee that sure is nice of him, and professional, the way he took it all and talked to Soto and Dave Martinez......and then the more I thought about it the more it has irritated me that he reacted that way. He never did look at Nolin, even after being hit by the second pitch. He just immediately started talking to Barksdale, the umpire--"hey teacher, that kid broke the rules, he needs to go to the principals office." Ty Cobb would have charged the mound and spiked Nolin with both cleats in the chest. Yes, Ty Cobb was a bad person and Freddie is a great human being, but how about at some point instead of just always giving everybody handjobs he actually show some toughness and fire, is that so much to ask? How about when Soto blew the kiss towards our bullpen after hitting his mammoth home run--shouldn't our bench have cleared at that point? It didn't because we're too nice. Nice is nice in every day life, but it can be a detriment on a sports playing field. Does anybody think Lawrence Taylor's top priority was to be nice and be well liked?
I've said this same thing about Freddie before. He has no edge to him. Bobby Cox had an edge to him, and so did his guys. It's all rainbows and lollipops with Freddie and this team in general. Soto's an a-hole and he needs his ass kicked, and kicked good..........but don't worry about the Braves doing it.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Sept 9, 2021 17:36:21 GMT -5
This thing about no fire in our team tonight.....I didn't think too much of it at the time, but the more I've thought about the way Freddie handled being thrown at tonight....when it happened I was thinking gee that sure is nice of him, and professional, the way he took it all and talked to Soto and Dave Martinez......and then the more I thought about it the more it has irritated me that he reacted that way. He never did look at Nolin, even after being hit by the second pitch. He just immediately started talking to Barksdale, the umpire--"hey teacher, that kid broke the rules, he needs to go to the principals office." Ty Cobb would have charged the mound and spiked Nolin with both cleats in the chest. Yes, Ty Cobb was a bad person and Freddie is a great human being, but how about at some point instead of just always giving everybody handjobs he actually show some toughness and fire, is that so much to ask? How about when Soto blew the kiss towards our bullpen after hitting his mammoth home run--shouldn't our bench have cleared at that point? It didn't because we're too nice. Nice is nice in every day life, but it can be a detriment on a sports playing field. Does anybody think Lawrence Taylor's top priority was to be nice and be well liked?
I've said this same thing about Freddie before. He has no edge to him. Bobby Cox had an edge to him, and so did his guys. It's all rainbows and lollipops with Freddie and this team in general. Soto's an a-hole and he needs his ass kicked, and kicked good..........but don't worry about the Braves doing it. I hate to be critical of a guy for being happy go lucky and content and not letting things bother him, but man when he's the face of the franchise and the manager is a soft nice guy too, it's just not good. Chipper had that edge too and it's one of the reasons I'd love to see him become our manager. When Chipper failed you could see in his face and body language that it just ate at him and drove him to be better. It's possible that Freddie's approach works just as well for him, and he has his own way of motivating himself and it works great for him without showing it outwardly, but when you're the franchise and the team leader and getting paid eleventy billion dollars you have a responsibility to help push and motivate everybody. And let's face it, human nature dictates that most people are not going to push themselves to be their best on their own. Being pretty good is enough for most people, even professional athletes. Most people need that extra motivation to take themselves to a championship level.
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