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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on May 20, 2018 18:44:21 GMT -5
I would never in a million years give someone a 10 year contract with an opt out banking on the fact they would indeed opt out. I’d still give Harper a 10-year deal, though.
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Post by peteorr on May 20, 2018 20:30:36 GMT -5
I've been thinking about Harper a little bit. He's been in the league since he's 19? The average age a player enters MLB is about 22 I would guess? Harper might be young, but he has had injuries already in his career and I would argue probably has more wear on his body than other MLB players who are the same age. You would very likely have Harper playing well when he's on the field for the first five or so years of the contract. I'd worry about his health/production over the back half of the contract if he were to be signed. Like Harper, Pollock also usually plays quite well when healthy. I'm starting to think it would be better to spend on Pollock who would require far less of a commitment. Alternatively, we could consider players who don't have an injury history. Harper is a great player and the Braves are on the uptick. Years 5-10 of Harper's contract would be expensive and performance wouldn't be expected. This would be at the same time that the young players on the team right now would be expensive. Signing Harper after the season might very well mean the Braves aren't able to keep Albies and/or Acuna when they become free agents.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 20, 2018 21:03:54 GMT -5
I would never in a million years give someone a 10 year contract with an opt out banking on the fact they would indeed opt out. I’d still give Harper a 10-year deal, though. What 10 year contract has turned out to be a good idea so far?
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Post by jahgentle on May 20, 2018 21:11:48 GMT -5
I’d still give Harper a 10-year deal, though. What 10 year contract has turned out to be a good idea so far? It's difficult to argue that and so many have just been outright disasters and something a team like The Braves just can't afford. I get that you have to take a risk at some point but not that.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 20, 2018 21:16:07 GMT -5
What 10 year contract has turned out to be a good idea so far? It's difficult to argue that and so many have just been outright disasters and something a team like The Braves just can't afford. I get that you have to take a risk at some point but not that. I agree. As much as I dislike Harper on a personal level, I could see a 5 year contract, but I'm not giving anybody a 10 year deal. Obviously he's not going to sign a 5 year deal with anybody. But let somebody else be the one to hate that contract down the road, not us. We'll have needs 5-6 years from now that we couldn't begin to predict right now, I don't want that much money tied up to hurt our flexibility down the road.
And if you take a good look, in almost 100% of these 8-10 year contract deals the players have started under performing immediately, sometimes drastically. Not just Heyward. It's very common.
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Post by keystone61 on May 20, 2018 21:23:48 GMT -5
I would never in a million years give someone a 10 year contract with an opt out banking on the fact they would indeed opt out. I’d still give Harper a 10-year deal, though. I think you'd give him a 30-year deal, nightman. 🙃
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on May 20, 2018 21:23:59 GMT -5
I’d still give Harper a 10-year deal, though. What 10 year contract has turned out to be a good idea so far? Are you arguing that nobody should be offered a 10+ year contract?
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Post by jahgentle on May 20, 2018 21:24:29 GMT -5
the contracts have gotten way too big and too long disqualifying any team that isn't the Yanks ect due to risk
I don't know what the answer is though as I despise NHL style salary caps.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 20, 2018 21:27:42 GMT -5
What 10 year contract has turned out to be a good idea so far? Are you arguing that nobody should be offered a 10+ year contract? Yes.
Which 10 year deal has proven to be a good idea so far?
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on May 20, 2018 21:28:05 GMT -5
I’d still give Harper a 10-year deal, though. I think you'd give him a 30-year deal, nightman. 🙃 I’m not in love with Harper as some of you like to think. I just believe in his future value. If the Braves signed Pollock or Brantley I’d be more than happy.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on May 20, 2018 21:29:27 GMT -5
Are you arguing that nobody should be offered a 10+ year contract? Yes.
Which 10 year deal has proven to be a good idea so far?
So Mike Trout shouldn’t get a 10 year deal? The big difference is that, in the past, guys we’re getting 10 year deals at 28, Harper will be 26. Those two years are extremely valuable.
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Post by keystone61 on May 20, 2018 21:30:34 GMT -5
I think you'd give him a 30-year deal, nightman. 🙃 I’m not in love with Harper as some of you like to think. I just believe in his future value. If the Braves signed Pollock or Brantley I’d be more than happy. Oh you're in love with him. You have a MAJOR man crush on Bryce Harper, nightman.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 20, 2018 21:35:53 GMT -5
Yes.
Which 10 year deal has proven to be a good idea so far?
So Mike Trout shouldn’t get a 10 year deal? The big difference is that, in the past, guys we’re getting 10 year deals at 28, Harper will be 26. Those two years are extremely valuable. No I would not give Trout a 10 year deal.
All these guys who got 10 year deals were great players at the time too, and they've almost universally struggled after signing the big deal.
I don't see any likelihood that Harper is going to be any better the next two years than he is right now. Which is 49th in WAR again (slipped back down a bit).
Shorter term deals, I could see taking the gamble, but not 10 years.
Additionally, if we were a top 10 payroll team I'd be more willing to take the bigger gamble, but we're never going to be that, so I don't want to tie up that kind of money. We'll have needs 5-6 years from now. If we tie up too much money, we'll be signing Jose Bautista, Dan Uggla and Charlie Culberson to fill out our infield in 2024 and 2025.
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Post by jahgentle on May 20, 2018 21:44:13 GMT -5
respecting all opinions here (well as much as I can with Americans) but nothing can convince me a ten year deal is ever a good idea
so much can go wrong so fast
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on May 20, 2018 22:41:27 GMT -5
We gave Freeman an 8 year deal at age 24...
Bryce is now 25...
We offer him 7 with an opt out at 5. He won't take that though as someone will offer more than that.
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