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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 20, 2021 14:03:23 GMT -5
So you agree that Tomlin was a better option? Better than Greene or Webb? Who were not on the roster? Absolutely. So Snitker and AA have made good decisions in this whole matter. Got it.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Aug 20, 2021 14:06:22 GMT -5
So, why didn’t he go with Webb or Greene if they were the better options? This question really has me dumbfounded. The answer really is because either AA mandated that Tomlin be on the team and Snitker is enough of a mouse to go along with it, or AA and Snitker decided together that Tomlin should be on the team. Either way there’s no defending Snitker over it. It’s not like it’s a gray area. Tomlin is a disaster. The only possible use for him would be as an inning eater in games where we were getting blown out. NEVER when we’re ahead, even if it’s 100 runs. But why even waste a roster spot for that? I totally agree that Tomlin has no business being on the team, but if Snit had brought in a better guy up by 8 in the 9th, people would have been screaming at Snit for burning a good reliever in a blowout.
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Post by dirt on Aug 20, 2021 14:16:32 GMT -5
Tonight Attachments:
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Post by wncbravesfan on Aug 20, 2021 14:25:40 GMT -5
He got woked already? Wow. Doesn't take long these days....
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Post by PABraveFan on Aug 20, 2021 14:38:04 GMT -5
If Joc is a platoon player, despite his playing tonight because of Soler DH, then I don't see us signing him for $10M for next year.
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Post by hokiedan on Aug 20, 2021 15:16:15 GMT -5
I'm good with the extension of D'Arnaud. Decent veteran catcher at a reasonable price for two years. If he stays healthy.
I'm interested to hear something on the Freeman extension. The way Freddie has been playing the past month, he has really put himself in the catbird seat. He's going to be near the top of the MVP balloting again. The Braves are going to have to cough up some serious dough to keep him in Atlanta.
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Post by hokiedan on Aug 20, 2021 15:22:01 GMT -5
I use to be a purist when it came to the DH...but I've come around. It's just so much more enjoyable when you don't have the pitcher as an automatic out in the 9 hole. There are a few exceptions of course (Max), but how many times have the Braves had runners on only to have the 8 and 9 hitters up...and you have Ender and the pitcher. Ugh. I know it takes away a lot of the strategy and managerial decision making, but I'm about ready to see the universal DH.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 15:52:46 GMT -5
I'm good with the extension of D'Arnaud. Decent veteran catcher at a reasonable price for two years. If he stays healthy. I'm interested to hear something on the Freeman extension. The way Freddie has been playing the past month, he has really put himself in the catbird seat. He's going to be near the top of the MVP balloting again. The Braves are going to have to cough up some serious dough to keep him in Atlanta. Same here, lets be honest what would have been available in this class of FA catchers anyway This was a safe but not cheap sign. It gives a couple of yrs for our younger guys to develop. Had D'Arnaud been allowed to walk, what would we have wound up with - another prototype version of the Famous Leon 2.0? Now, its time to take care of Freddie - he has earned it. Enough said on that one - cost be dammed you do not replace Freddie Freeman who still has some near peak yrs left. My thoughts he will be good till he is 35, 36 yrs old. Get er done sooner better than later
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 20, 2021 15:53:24 GMT -5
Things we've learned this week: Even with an 8 run lead in the 9th a game is not DeTomlinized nor is it Smithproofed. And when I say “we” I’m not including Sargent Splatterpants in our group. Isn’t Tomlin exactly who you want pitching in that situation? Or would you rather burn a good reliever? Going to Tomlin there was the right move by Snit. The fact that he has that option is on the front office for not having the balls to cut the veteran pitcher who isn’t performing anymore. I really hope that when Anderson is ready, the front office cuts Tomlin and moves Touki to the pen. But we’ll see. I agree with you that is the exact time you should use the last guy in the bullpen, but Snit should be demanding he be DFA'd and if AA refuses then just change his role to only use him with an 8 run DEFICIT in the 8th or later.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 15:55:43 GMT -5
I use to be a purist when it came to the DH...but I've come around. It's just so much more enjoyable when you don't have the pitcher as an automatic out in the 9 hole. There are a few exceptions of course (Max), but how many times have the Braves had runners on only to have the 8 and 9 hitters up...and you have Ender and the pitcher. Ugh. I know it takes away a lot of the strategy and managerial decision making, but I'm about ready to see the universal DH. If you have to have interleague play, we should have adopted the universal DH a long time ago in my book. I never thought that the strategy aspect of it really meant that much. And, you can always interchange hitters depending on a situation anyway. It makes sense to have the same rules for all ballparks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 15:59:03 GMT -5
I do not put it on Snitker in that he used his worst pitcher to protect an 8 run lead in the 9th, in the end its the pitcher who failed the manager.
Now the Smith thing - that is another story
Tomlin - if he has to stay on the roster he can just sit. Like the way Billy Martin did with Ken Holtzman back in 1977. Of course that was more of a personality thing there but in this case - Tomlin might be a heck of a good guy but he is unable to get the job done.
Snitker should understand that in the future.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 20, 2021 15:59:41 GMT -5
The previous game is over now, so I'm not going to worry with it a whole lot. The big issue now is after that game, why in the hell is Tomlin still on this team?
Bring back Webb and Chavez becomes the new Tomlin
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Aug 20, 2021 16:07:10 GMT -5
So, why didn’t he go with Webb or Greene if they were the better options? This question really has me dumbfounded. The answer really is because either AA mandated that Tomlin be on the team and Snitker is enough of a mouse to go along with it, or AA and Snitker decided together that Tomlin should be on the team. Either way there’s no defending Snitker over it. It’s not like it’s a gray area. Tomlin is a disaster. The only possible use for him would be as an inning eater in games where we were getting blown out. NEVER when we’re ahead, even if it’s 100 runs. But why even waste a roster spot for that? I think the gist is the only way we can expect Snit to not make bad choices is to have AA take the bad choice out of the equation. There is validity though to had we used anyone else, we might have been complaining that Tomlin wasn't the guy he chose... ... although at this point I am fine if Tomlin is never used unless we are down by 8 or more in the 8th or later. It is so bad that Tomlin should retire just to stop embarrassing himself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 16:13:51 GMT -5
The previous game is over now, so I'm not going to worry with it a whole lot. The big issue now is after that game, why in the hell is Tomlin still on this team? Bring back Webb and Chavez becomes the new Tomlin Webb does have legit stuff - he has had a shorter leash than others who have not always pitched up to their stuff I do think Webb has a MLB future if not here than somewhere Ok, he did make a couple of fielding gaffes but man, he cannot be worse than Tomlin who was a fairly servicable pitcher at one time The Tomlin issue - just do not get management's thinking
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Post by Fumbduckery on Aug 20, 2021 16:53:27 GMT -5
This question really has me dumbfounded. The answer really is because either AA mandated that Tomlin be on the team and Snitker is enough of a mouse to go along with it, or AA and Snitker decided together that Tomlin should be on the team. Either way there’s no defending Snitker over it. It’s not like it’s a gray area. Tomlin is a disaster. The only possible use for him would be as an inning eater in games where we were getting blown out. NEVER when we’re ahead, even if it’s 100 runs. But why even waste a roster spot for that? I think the gist is the only way we can expect Snit to not make bad choices is to have AA take the bad choice out of the equation. There is validity though to had we used anyone else, we might have been complaining that Tomlin wasn't the guy he chose...... although at this point I am fine if Tomlin is never used unless we are down by 8 or more in the 8th or later. It is so bad that Tomlin should retire just to stop embarrassing himself. We definitely would have, if he had used say Minter instead of Tomlin. My point here was never that he shouldn't have used Tomlin so much as the fact that Tomlin shouldn't be on the team. And I'd love to see somebody make a case that he SHOULD be on the team. And maybe my point is really that even after last night we didn't cut Tomlin so we're going to face this situation again. I mean hell, now we're up to 8 runs not being enough of a lead to put Tomlin in the game. Get rid of him for God's sake.
I don't care what your job is in this world, if your hands are so tied that you have to do something you know is wrong in your job (like bringing Tomlin into ANY game at this point) then you're lame for not taking a stand. And since we don't know who is speaking up on keeping Tomlin I'm going to hold them all responsible. Because I do think Snitker has some kind of say.
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