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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 15:00:27 GMT -5
And hanging on to every prospect you have, thinking they're gold. Oh well, Braves aren't making a run this year regardless. AMEN - Double AMEN on that one We still might have a decent run but I will believe when I see it as always
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 28, 2021 15:18:39 GMT -5
I have seen Luzardo's stats this year, but I am not prone to making foolish snap judgments on top prospects based on 19 games at AAA and 25 in the majors.
Need I remind you of every player in our own organization you have given up on over the years?
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Post by PABraveFan on Jul 28, 2021 15:32:23 GMT -5
***WEATHER UPDATE*** METMAN WEATHER SERVICES 28 July 2021 4:30 PM EDT New York City Metro Area BRAVES GAME FORECAST (7:10 PM)
Game Time Forecast: Partly cloudy and cooler with temperatures in the upper 70's to around 80 falling to the low to mid 70's by the end of the game time period. Dew points in the upper 50's to low 60's will make the humidity somewhat noticeable. Winds SE at 5-10 MPH G13. Max gust 15 MPH. No precipitation is expected.
-PA GO BRAVES!!!
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Jul 28, 2021 15:38:03 GMT -5
Braves have been prospect hoarders for far, far too long. Obviously got it right with Acuña, Albies, Anderson, and Fried. But they have held onto other prospects that could have netted decent returns only for them to stink it up at the major league level across several call ups-- Wright, Wilson should be traded before their bad performance totally erase their trade value.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 28, 2021 15:44:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 15:52:34 GMT -5
Braves have been prospect hoarders for far, far too long. Obviously got it right with Acuña, Albies, Anderson, and Fried. But they have held onto other prospects that could have netted decent returns only for them to stink it up at the major league level across several call ups-- Wright, Wilson should be traded before their bad performance totally erase their trade value. For the most part you are right. You can add Riley to the list of guys whom they got it right even if it was in year 3. And, it took a while for Fried. Turned out to be worth it, he saved the Justin Upton deal and Riley saved the Kimbrel deal. Its as if some fans overvalue prospects, in the case of Oakland they determined that their once top ranked prospect did not have it and they moved him on. You can always replace a prospect who fails - that is why you have a draft for Add Newcomb whom they held on to for too long not to mention the long list of Coppy pitching experiments
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 28, 2021 15:53:49 GMT -5
I have seen Luzardo's stats this year, but I am not prone to making foolish snap judgments on top prospects based on 19 games at AAA and 25 in the majors. Need I remind you of every player in our own organization you have given up on over the years? That would be every player on this list
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 28, 2021 16:02:24 GMT -5
I have seen Luzardo's stats this year, but I am not prone to making foolish snap judgments on top prospects based on 19 games at AAA and 25 in the majors. Need I remind you of every player in our own organization you have given up on over the years? Luzardo also hasn't pitched very much period, minors and majors combined, there's also very little there to say that he actually deserved to ever be a top prospect.
I don't think it's much to give away at all. He was drafted in 2016 and hasn't pitched very much. Looks like maybe 300 innings total over all those seasons, which is really low.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 28, 2021 16:04:41 GMT -5
Braves have been prospect hoarders for far, far too long. Obviously got it right with Acuña, Albies, Anderson, and Fried. But they have held onto other prospects that could have netted decent returns only for them to stink it up at the major league level across several call ups-- Wright, Wilson should be traded before their bad performance totally erase their trade value. For the most part you are right. You can add Riley to the list of guys whom they got it right even if it was in year 3. And, it took a while for Fried. Turned out to be worth it, he saved the Justin Upton deal and Riley saved the Kimbrel deal. Its as if some fans overvalue prospects, in the case of Oakland they determined that their once top ranked prospect did not have it and they moved him on. You can always replace a prospect who fails - that is why you have a draft for Add Newcomb whom they held on to for too long not to mention the long list of Coppy pitching experiments Riley is just 24 years old. Not many guys get to where he is now by that age.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 28, 2021 16:12:14 GMT -5
I have seen Luzardo's stats this year, but I am not prone to making foolish snap judgments on top prospects based on 19 games at AAA and 25 in the majors. Need I remind you of every player in our own organization you have given up on over the years? Luzardo also hasn't pitched very much period, minors and majors combined, there's also very little there to say that he actually deserved to ever be a top prospect.
I don't think it's much to give away at all. He was drafted in 2016 and hasn't pitched very much. Looks like maybe 300 innings total over all those seasons, which is really low.
Well for whatever reason he was a highly rated prospect by the people who do the rating and by the organization that drafted him and apparently was wanted by the organization that just traded for him. I'm fairly certain other organizations probably made offers for Marte as well.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jul 28, 2021 16:12:41 GMT -5
Braves have been prospect hoarders for far, far too long. Obviously got it right with Acuña, Albies, Anderson, and Fried. But they have held onto other prospects that could have netted decent returns only for them to stink it up at the major league level across several call ups-- Wright, Wilson should be traded before their bad performance totally erase their trade value. What specific returns could we have gotten for which prospects? Just curious I mean it's very confusing.. all of our prospects are junk or unproven but we should have traded them for MLB starters, and then if we do trade a prospect we don't get anything in return because apparently AA or (insert name here) turns down better offers in order to take the inferior ones and all of this information is apparently published in some secret newsletter you guys get, lol
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Post by maverick86 on Jul 28, 2021 16:18:12 GMT -5
Dodgers have some interest in both Morton & Pederson in a trade.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 28, 2021 16:20:05 GMT -5
Luzardo also hasn't pitched very much period, minors and majors combined, there's also very little there to say that he actually deserved to ever be a top prospect.
I don't think it's much to give away at all. He was drafted in 2016 and hasn't pitched very much. Looks like maybe 300 innings total over all those seasons, which is really low.
Well for whatever reason he was a highly rated prospect by the people who do the rating and by the organization that drafted him and apparently was wanted by the organization that just traded for him. I'm fairly certain other organizations probably made offers for Marte as well. Yeah, like guys named Kevan and Pablo apparently.
AA: "Hey, the Panda head comes along with him for free, c'mon!"
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Jul 28, 2021 16:35:27 GMT -5
Braves have been prospect hoarders for far, far too long. Obviously got it right with Acuña, Albies, Anderson, and Fried. But they have held onto other prospects that could have netted decent returns only for them to stink it up at the major league level across several call ups-- Wright, Wilson should be traded before their bad performance totally erase their trade value. What specific returns could we have gotten for which prospects? Just curious I mean it's very confusing.. all of our prospects are junk or unproven but we should have traded them for MLB starters, and then if we do trade a prospect we don't get anything in return because apparently AA or (insert name here) turns down better offers in order to take the inferior ones and all of this information is apparently published in some secret newsletter you guys get, lol well they look really good in the minors, like they could dominate just about anyone from the get go, but then they get up to the big leagues with what I believe is questionable pitching coaching at least partially at fault for their issues. Then each time they are called up, or back up-- Wright, Wilson(though decent in the monday DH) Newcomb, they just again cant get it goin. Obvious talent differential between AAA and MLB, but youd think they'd be able to make something stick eventually, but they havent. And then they go back down to AAA put up solid to even sometimes dominating performances together. It would seem to me, these guys like Wright and Wilson could reach their potential outside of the organization from coaches who know how to actually develop pitchers. Therefore while they still have some value accrued in the minors, they should be available assets to trade. They just aren't going to develop into what we hoped them to be, but with these buffoons in the organization instructing them. Get something for them while it can be done. They wont net anything huge or game changing, but there could be decent gets to be had. I just dont think their future is with this organization.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 16:37:26 GMT -5
Luzardo also hasn't pitched very much period, minors and majors combined, there's also very little there to say that he actually deserved to ever be a top prospect.
I don't think it's much to give away at all. He was drafted in 2016 and hasn't pitched very much. Looks like maybe 300 innings total over all those seasons, which is really low.
Well for whatever reason he was a highly rated prospect by the people who do the rating and by the organization that drafted him and apparently was wanted by the organization that just traded for him. I'm fairly certain other organizations probably made offers for Marte as well. The experts are often not right. Remember that Brandon Wood was a top rated prospect in the Angels org and we saw how that story wound up Remember Edwin Salcedo who was supposed to be this and that. I take these prospect ratings with a grain of salt until we see what these guys can do. The list is long on the proverbial experts not being right. I could list others but enough for one post. Anyway, Miami sees something in Luzardo he is their project and Oakland cut bait and got something.
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