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Post by bravesfanmatt on Mar 12, 2018 11:46:49 GMT -5
Except the Fallies have 58 million committed in 2019, plus 9 guys in arb 1 or higher, and no owner is going over the luxury tax by much, plus you will still have a 25 million dollar shitty pitcher that you can look forward to for two more years. So basically you will still need 4 good starters next year to pair with your #3 in Nola. Maybe Jake can be your 25 million dollar #5 and you can just have to buy 3 new starters to pair with all that young 'talent'
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Post by hollins13 on Mar 12, 2018 12:03:58 GMT -5
The shitty pitcher who's been the third best pitcher in all of baseball for the last 5 seasons? Yeah ok.
The Phillies are 30 million under the Braves payroll for 2018, not 2019. My answer remains the same in that 25 million has zero impact on 2019 acquisition of talent.
And no team is going to go over the luxury tax by that amount?? WTF are you talking about? The luxury tax in 2019 is already over 200 million dollars. That wouldn't be over it period, let alone "by that much"
I understand you're used to talking to ignorant Braves fans, but I'm not one of them. Do some research first before you step to the plate against me.
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Post by bravesfanmatt on Mar 12, 2018 12:51:05 GMT -5
Very Faillies to pay for a pitcher for what he did and not what he is going to do. should we bet to see if he will be in the top ten this year? How about the top 20? Hell, can he even see the top 50?
And saying my rich owner can push payroll to 200 million is not a bragging point. what I was saying is that no team is going over the luxury tax anymore so many teams will be spending 200 million with the rest eventually falling in just below. maybe not in 2019 but soon after. The new luxury tax rules are as close to a cap as we will get most likely. I will give you some time to have someone read and explain the new CBA to you.
I suppose it will be very Faillies like as well to jump in on Price and Gio with all that money.. they done good once..
however, you will still be 4 good pitchers away from contending.
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Post by hollins13 on Mar 12, 2018 14:22:34 GMT -5
Very Faillies to pay for a pitcher for what he did and not what he is going to do. should we bet to see if he will be in the top ten this year? How about the top 20? Hell, can he even see the top 50? And saying my rich owner can push payroll to 200 million is not a bragging point. what I was saying is that no team is going over the luxury tax anymore so many teams will be spending 200 million with the rest eventually falling in just below. maybe not in 2019 but soon after. The new luxury tax rules are as close to a cap as we will get most likely. I will give you some time to have someone read and explain the new CBA to you. I suppose it will be very Faillies like as well to jump in on Price and Gio with all that money.. they done good once.. however, you will still be 4 good pitchers away from contending. Have you looked at the contracts for starting pitchers? If Arietta were getting paid based on what he has done, his contract would be over 30M per season. He didn't get that from the Phillies. In fact, by year three, he'll be making 20M. And with that "insane" spending, the Phillies now have the 27th highest payroll in the league.... Yes, saying my team has the capacity to spend money to compete with any other team most certainly is a bragging point. They've built this team with young talent. Adding the final pieces via high quality free agents is an excellent formula for winning. I'd much rather go that route than burning money on the Bartolo Colon's, Scott Kazmir's and RA Dickey's of the world and praying for a miracle. How about we bet that Jake Arietta is better than every single pitcher on the Braves this season? That would put him in the same class as Aaron Nola. And while we're at it, lets make a second bet on the utter bullshit you posted about the luxury tax and I'll bet that 2/3 of the teams in the league don't get within 20 million of 200M in 2018
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Post by bravesfanmatt on Mar 12, 2018 14:30:46 GMT -5
Avatar bet. Total war. You pick f or b. Any one pitcher on the Braves. Must finish season as a Brave. Avatar will be Kept entire off season.
Who said 2018. I didn’t even say 2019. Hell I will even double down and say the faillies won’t hit 200 mil next year.
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Post by hollins13 on Mar 12, 2018 15:12:29 GMT -5
Hell I will even double down and say the faillies won’t hit 200 mil next year. No crap....They'd have to sign Harper, Machado and Kershaw to get to 200M next season. I said they have the capacity to have a payroll of 200 million. Do you not comprehend?
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Post by bravesfanmatt on Mar 12, 2018 15:30:00 GMT -5
Hell I will even double down and say the faillies won’t hit 200 mil next year. No crap....They'd have to sign Harper, Machado and Kershaw to get to 200M next season. I said they have the capacity to have a payroll of 200 million. Do you not comprehend? What whacked out logic is that. Liberty is the wealthy owner in the game. We have the capacity to sign Harper. Butt hump him and then cut his azz. But we aren’t so why say it. Why not try to add value to the topic and use realistic projections and not some bs unicorn farts that you faillies are used to. Play in reality please. And what about bet.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Mar 12, 2018 15:58:39 GMT -5
. I suppose it will b I'd much rather go that route than burning money on the Bartolo Colon's, Scott Kazmir's and RA Dickey's of the world and praying for a miracle. ...but for the record, and you know this, Colon, Dickey, and Kazmir were not a part of any rebuild. We know when we will be ready to really compete and none of those guys were signed to be a part of it. They were space fillers until we get ready to compete, and none of their money will be on the books next year when we are ready to go.
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Post by bravesfanmatt on Mar 12, 2018 16:05:56 GMT -5
. I suppose it will b I'd much rather go that route than burning money on the Bartolo Colon's, Scott Kazmir's and RA Dickey's of the world and praying for a miracle. ...but for the record, and you know this, Colon, Dickey, and Kazmir were not a part of any rebuild. We know when we will be ready to really compete and none of those guys were signed to be a part of it. They were space fillers until we get ready to compete, and none of their money will be on the books next year when we are ready to go. Classic strawman argument. Hey look over here and don’t pay attention to reality.
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Post by hollins13 on Mar 12, 2018 16:33:51 GMT -5
It's hardly a strawman. It's a fact that you are spending as much on McCarthy and Kazmir this season as the Phillies are spending on Jake Arietta. Saying they are just garbage to clear off the books doesn't exactly make the Braves look good. It means they made horrible decisions and had to eat bad contracts to get out of them. The Phillies have locked up a quality starter for three years.
If you can successfully lay out the parameters of a wager in English, I'd be happy to consider your bet. Based on your ability to articulate in your last couple posts, I'd bet against that though.
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Post by hollins13 on Mar 12, 2018 16:40:43 GMT -5
Colon, Dickey, and Kazmir were not a part of any rebuild. They were space fillers until we get ready to compete 12.5M, 8M, 16M for space fillers? 36.5 million dollars on trash? Sounds like someone over at Braves headquarters needs to be fired....oh wait, he got banned for life for cheating. You couldn't find a couple Joe Blanton's to go out and pitch for 4M each since you were just filling space?
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Mar 12, 2018 16:47:59 GMT -5
Having to clear money off the books isn’t good, but I don’t think anyone is saying it’s a great thing. It’s just a fact that we have to deal with and the money will be of the books next year, and we will have $12mm less committed.
What happened this year with Kazmir and McCarthy, and last with Colon doesn’t matter much as we knew we were not ready to win. You said the same thing about ypur team last year when it came to some players on your roster.
Time will tell if you will be ready to really compete with Arieta still around. He may be in his last year when you guys are ready.. It will be interesting to see how good he will be, and if it will matter this season and next.
Now carry on the discussion everyone, but please do try and maintain a degree of civility during the debate..
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Mar 12, 2018 16:52:36 GMT -5
12.5M, 8M, 16M for space fillers? 36.5 million dollars on trash? Sounds like someone over at Braves headquarters needs to be fired....oh wait, he got banned for life for cheating. You couldn't find a couple Joe Blanton's to go out and pitch for 4M each since you were just filling space? Colon was still seen as a viable pitching option that could eat a lot of innings. The others were admittedly because of a need to get some money off the books, and that it did. In fact the deal got the money off the books after this year instead of after next. Unfortunate we needed to get that money off the books, but it is what it is and we did it in a very smart way and can have that money to spend in 2019. Signing a couple of Blanton’s wouldn’t have done that.
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Post by bravesfanmatt on Mar 12, 2018 17:45:22 GMT -5
How was my bet in any way confusing. Total war between any one pitcher vs Jake you pick bref or fangraph war. Are you that faillies educated that you couldn’t figure any of that out.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Mar 12, 2018 17:50:27 GMT -5
Ya, there's no way the phollies are gonna wish they had $25 million extra to spend on a FA next year. There actually isn't. I've mentioned this multiple times already, but the Phillies are 30 million dollars under the Braves payroll in 2018 even after the Arietta signing. That's the advantage of actually having young talent playing for your team instead of fossils like Nick Markakis. The amount of pretzel twisting you have to do in order to make your points is probably the funniest thing about you.
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