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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 23, 2019 22:31:37 GMT -5
To be honest, nobody should put any faith in who the media were picking.
Snitker is probably the best cheerleader among all managers in baseball, I'd be all for him getting that award. And I've acknowledged that aspect of managing counts a lot.
But he made LARGE tactical mistakes all during the regular season, one of which carried over into the playoffs, which included playing the "starters" too much.
All managers make tactical errors. They play 162 games. We just notice Snit’s cause we watched all 162. Granted, the media didn’t watch even a fraction of that, for any team, but the award is clearly based on end results, not in-game management. Braves weren’t picked to win the division, and they did. Those results are better than any other team for the regular season. We won the division because of our talent, first and foremost. Snitker just lets them play and pats them on the back.
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Post by akod on Oct 23, 2019 22:53:30 GMT -5
I will agree he was fine for the regular season. The post season was an absolute coaching disaster. Base running, awareness (even from vet gold glovers like Markakis and Keuchel who allowed extra bases), adjusting to pitchers with a team philosophy, etc.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Oct 23, 2019 23:20:50 GMT -5
All managers make tactical errors. They play 162 games. We just notice Snit’s cause we watched all 162. Granted, the media didn’t watch even a fraction of that, for any team, but the award is clearly based on end results, not in-game management. Braves weren’t picked to win the division, and they did. Those results are better than any other team for the regular season. We won the division because of our talent, first and foremost. Snitker just lets them play and pats them on the back. Sometimes that's good enough to win manager of the year. There are a lot of managers who do the exact opposite. I'm thankful we don't have one of those.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Oct 23, 2019 23:21:32 GMT -5
I will agree he was fine for the regular season. The post season was an absolute coaching disaster. Base running, awareness (even from vet gold glovers like Markakis and Keuchel who allowed extra bases), adjusting to pitchers with a team philosophy, etc. Ya, if the award included the post-season, I'd riot if he was still named MOY. Not having Soroka pitch 2 games is enough to disqualify him, in my book.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 23, 2019 23:44:56 GMT -5
We won the division because of our talent, first and foremost. Snitker just lets them play and pats them on the back. Sometimes that's good enough to win manager of the year. There are a lot of managers who do the exact opposite. I'm thankful we don't have one of those. Well if we want to argue that we could do worse than Snitker, you won't get any arguments from me. But if we have elite talent I'd like to have a better all around manager while we have that window of opportunity. I'd actually argue in favor of Ron Washington at this point. Now that David Ross is going to manage a team with good talent, I'd even say I'd take Chipper Jones right now as our manager, if it was something he'd be willing to do. Keep Sargent Saggysack around as a bench coach and let him pat everybody on the back.
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Post by PABraveFan on Oct 24, 2019 7:17:03 GMT -5
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Oct 24, 2019 20:00:32 GMT -5
Sometimes that's good enough to win manager of the year. There are a lot of managers who do the exact opposite. I'm thankful we don't have one of those. Well if we want to argue that we could do worse than Snitker, you won't get any arguments from me. But if we have elite talent I'd like to have a better all around manager while we have that window of opportunity. I'd actually argue in favor of Ron Washington at this point. Now that David Ross is going to manage a team with good talent, I'd even say I'd take Chipper Jones right now as our manager, if it was something he'd be willing to do. Keep Sargent Saggysack around as a bench coach and let him pat everybody on the back. I’m certainly open to the Braves bringing in someone new. Ultimately, my point was that Snit winning the award isn’t all that surprising to me as the award really isn’t analytical based. Rather, it’s just simply what was the team predicted to do and where did they end up. By that simplistic measure Snit should be the clear winner.
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Post by akod on Oct 24, 2019 20:20:26 GMT -5
Our fan base would roast the team for little FA action and removing the manager of the year from his duties. Atlanta “writers” would destroy AA and I doubt he wants to deal with that on top of the ridicule for not signing the biggest names. The average fan is reliant on fansided type articles because it’s easy so sadly those asshats set the narrative.
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Post by akod on Oct 24, 2019 20:25:10 GMT -5
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Post by Drkirby on Oct 24, 2019 20:26:29 GMT -5
It sure is terrible how Snitker hit terribly in the post season...oh wait that was FF, neck, JD and others. Sure is awful how snit got bombed in game 5...oh wait that was folty...sure is awful how snit didn’t do SNIT with RISP...oh wait...
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 24, 2019 20:42:22 GMT -5
It sure is terrible how Snitker hit terribly in the post season...oh wait that was FF, neck, JD and others. Sure is awful how snit got bombed in game 5...oh wait that was folty...sure is awful how snit didn’t do SNIT with RISP...oh wait... He muffed the easiest decision he had, which was starting Soroka twice. For me, that's pretty much unforgivable.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 24, 2019 20:54:58 GMT -5
Well if we want to argue that we could do worse than Snitker, you won't get any arguments from me. But if we have elite talent I'd like to have a better all around manager while we have that window of opportunity. I'd actually argue in favor of Ron Washington at this point. Now that David Ross is going to manage a team with good talent, I'd even say I'd take Chipper Jones right now as our manager, if it was something he'd be willing to do. Keep Sargent Saggysack around as a bench coach and let him pat everybody on the back. I’m certainly open to the Braves bringing in someone new. Ultimately, my point was that Snit winning the award isn’t all that surprising to me as the award really isn’t analytical based. Rather, it’s just simply what was the team predicted to do and where did they end up. By that simplistic measure Snit should be the clear winner. And my point was "predicted" by who? Baseball writers and TV analysts are dumbasses and have been for a long time. Every year they make the same idiot mistakes with preseason predictions and apparently they always will--they go nuts over the supposed big moves that are going to put every team over the hump. I thought we clearly still had the edge in talent, I said the entire offseason and in spring training, and even after the Faillies destroyed us in the opening series of the season that I was positive we would win the division. I'm not claiming to be smart, I just thought it was obvious as could be. I never predicted we would go anywhere in the playoffs, but we were clearly more talented than the Faillies and Mets, and I still think the Gnats too, but the Gnats starting pitching is better than ours for sure.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 24, 2019 21:00:47 GMT -5
Our fan base would roast the team for little FA action and removing the manager of the year from his duties. Atlanta “writers” would destroy AA and I doubt he wants to deal with that on top of the ridicule for not signing the biggest names. The average fan is reliant on fansided type articles because it’s easy so sadly those asshats set the narrative. Exactly. With Chip, Joe and Frenchy telling people on TV that Snitker is an amazing manager, that's all that most people need to here. And those guys are not shy about tooting Snit's horn, I doubt if they ever say one bad word about him. I'll bet they'll never mention the boner of pitching Soroka just once in the playoffs. I won't know if they do or not, I had to quit listening to them halfway through the season, the constant sucking up was just too much. If you want to hear a guy blowing our organization all night every night, Frenchy is the man! Smarter than I expected when it comes to baseball, but man what a constant suck up!
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 24, 2019 21:02:29 GMT -5
It sure is terrible how Snitker hit terribly in the post season...oh wait that was FF, neck, JD and others. Sure is awful how snit got bombed in game 5...oh wait that was folty...sure is awful how snit didn’t do SNIT with RISP...oh wait... And yet when the guys are all raking during the season, Snitker gets all the praise for what a great manager he is!
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 24, 2019 23:08:38 GMT -5
It sure is terrible how Snitker hit terribly in the post season...oh wait that was FF, neck, JD and others. Sure is awful how snit got bombed in game 5...oh wait that was folty...sure is awful how snit didn’t do SNIT with RISP...oh wait... He muffed the easiest decision he had, which was starting Soroka twice. For me, that's pretty much unforgivable. There ya go... that... right there.. The most obvious decision possible, and he botched it. You can use the player argument to defend any manager because they are the ones on the field. I mean ultimately nothing Gabe Classless Dick did lost games for the Phaiillies.. it was the players. Freeman didn't hit in the post-season?.. he had been run into the ground and injured. Folty failed? Why were he and Keuchel the ones pitching twice? Neck failed... yeah and he failed last year as well, but he is Mr. Baseball guy automatic starter. By your logic no manager is ever responsible for anything. You could be a manager.
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