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Post by Drkirby on Jun 18, 2018 10:43:15 GMT -5
But what if they don’t regress?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 18, 2018 11:04:53 GMT -5
But what if they don’t regress? Then we keep having fun!
I've had a blast so far this season. I did not expect this yet but it is great to be winning again. Even if we tail off this year this has been FUN.
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Post by bravesfanmatt on Jun 18, 2018 11:07:56 GMT -5
Ozzie needs to be more selective. That is not going to be easy changing what he has done his whole career. Really is a failure on our development system to allow him to be exposed to high heat like this. But he is 21 and very smart. I have full confidence that he will pick back up. His BABiP is epically low.. that said, pop ups don't really help normalize the BABiP.
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 18, 2018 11:10:24 GMT -5
Pop-ups are his biggest problem, IMO. He needs to hit the ball on the ground more, and take advantage of his speed.
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 18, 2018 14:45:21 GMT -5
Hmmm...maybe I was.....but then maybe I wasn't...…..who knows? Like you said, he's got the troops believing in what they are doing and are happy, so there's that.... I’m think of Moe right now talking to Curly, “Why I oughtta....” i do think having the players happy and confident means a lot. Maybe we can keep him on as a moral supporter and get a guy who can actually make good managerial decisions. Why does everybody hate their team's manager? It's a serious question. Decisions backfire sometime. There is no way in hell to get it right all the time (unless you're Gabe Classless Dick, and he DID invent baseball).
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 18, 2018 15:04:10 GMT -5
I’m think of Moe right now talking to Curly, “Why I oughtta....” i do think having the players happy and confident means a lot. Maybe we can keep him on as a moral supporter and get a guy who can actually make good managerial decisions. Why does everybody hate their team's manager? It's a serious question. Decisions backfire sometime. There is no way in hell to get it right all the time (unless you're Gabe Classless Dick, and he DID invent baseball). Between myself and HMF I think we've both made it abundantly clear, with many examples, of really dumb managerial decisions Snitker has made. As HMF just recently said, I don't begin to think or pretend I could do better overall, but there are plenty of things Snitker has done that were just dumb. Yes, sometimes things backfire, and sometimes managers just get lucky and things work great and they look like a genius when really it was a crapshoot and just by chance happened to work out. I certainly don't hate Snitker, I actually like him and I admire his dedication to the Braves organization, and I'm even more impressed with the way he has the guys believing right now. But I do think he makes a lot of bad in game decisions. The biggest one at this point is bringing Moylan into any game where we aren't winning or losing by at least seven runs. It's clear that Moylan is done, but he's Snitker's right hand man, his go to guy right now almost every day--he insists on bringing him into close games so he can throw more gasoline on the fire.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 18, 2018 18:27:15 GMT -5
I don't hate Snitker.
I think there have been 8-9 times this season when I have commented directly about a decision he made that I really disagreed with. There have been what... 71 games? Lets round it off and maybe add in a couple of times I've forgotten and it's still easy to say that 80% of the time I don't say anything about what he has done. There have been several times when a decision he made wen't south and I didn't say a word about it being Snitker's fault for doing this or that.
Now the times I have said something about Snitker making a bad decision, I think I've been pretty clear about exactly why I thought it was a bad decision and I've tried to back it up with factual stats like splits and prior results. So if I am unfair with those criticisms, then I welcome discussion about the specifics I mention.
A manager is supposed to his job, but like many jobs you just don't hear about it when you just do what you should have done. You do hear about it though when you don't. Truly though... I wouldn't say the guy doesn't deserve consideration for manager of the year if this continues. I also wouldn't want him replaced unless I knew the specific name being considered. I really leave all that to AA and the organization. If though any manager we have makes a dumb move like forcing lefty/lefty matchups when 2 years of splits say its a bad move... I will point that out. If any manager we have brings Moylan in during a 1 run game because RHB/RHP matchup when righties are hitting him harder than lefties... I'll probably mention it.
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Post by bravepap on Jun 19, 2018 6:33:09 GMT -5
Hmmm...maybe I was.....but then maybe I wasn't...…..who knows? Like you said, he's got the troops believing in what they are doing and are happy, so there's that.... I’m think of Moe right now talking to Curly, “Why I oughtta....” i do think having the players happy and confident means a lot. Maybe we can keep him on as a moral supporter and get a guy who can actually make good managerial decisions. Hah!...Old people!! What good are they?? As usual, I really don't care who the manager is, and in the reverse of what you said it seems we should maybe give him a little credit when we do well if we are going to criticize when we don't...which you have done, and in reality is what I think a good manager does...in a long season, meshing all those egos together for a common goal is a tough task and "manager errors" happen just like they do with a Dansby errant throw or an Ozzie boot of a ground ball...I'm talking things like running out of an inning or maybe an ill advised bunt and not something like Greg Kimbral standing in the bull pen while your season goes down the tubes. Mangers that do that deserve to have a career as long as a current Willie Nelson concert!!! And truth be told...full discloser...I'm still amused by the comment earlier in the year (not by you) that went something like they hope we don't win too much because that might mean Snit gets an extension and we don't want that...…..that right there is funny and I still use it a lot in conversations about our team on other sites....the internet is an interesting place.
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 19, 2018 8:00:47 GMT -5
I tend to agree on Moylan, but what is he supposed to do, not use him at all? He should have never left him in the other night against Galvis, but he did, and he got bit. Odds are we aren't getting the runs to win, anyway. The Padres' bullpen has been lights out, but obviously, that homer erased all doubt. Thing is, you can second guess the greatest manager of all-time. I think Snit is doing a good job, and is handling the pitching staff very well, in spite of the fact that he isn't a perfect decision maker.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jun 20, 2018 21:01:27 GMT -5
I don't hate Snitker. I think there have been 8-9 times this season when I have commented directly about a decision he made that I really disagreed with. There have been what... 71 games? Lets round it off and maybe add in a couple of times I've forgotten and it's still easy to say that 80% of the time I don't say anything about what he has done. There have been several times when a decision he made wen't south and I didn't say a word about it being Snitker's fault for doing this or that. Now the times I have said something about Snitker making a bad decision, I think I've been pretty clear about exactly why I thought it was a bad decision and I've tried to back it up with factual stats like splits and prior results. So if I am unfair with those criticisms, then I welcome discussion about the specifics I mention. A manager is supposed to his job, but like many jobs you just don't hear about it when you just do what you should have done. You do hear about it though when you don't. Truly though... I wouldn't say the guy doesn't deserve consideration for manager of the year if this continues. I also wouldn't want him replaced unless I knew the specific name being considered. I really leave all that to AA and the organization. If though any manager we have makes a dumb move like forcing lefty/lefty matchups when 2 years of splits say its a bad move... I will point that out. If any manager we have brings Moylan in during a 1 run game because RHB/RHP matchup when righties are hitting him harder than lefties... I'll probably mention it. I tend to give managers a bit more leeway on who they use and when they use or don't use players. Because we have no idea what is going on with a player at any time. There is a lot more to being a manager than just playing by numbers. And pitchers are the worst at having Issues that don't show up in stats. A pitcher may have had success against a certain hitter in the past pitching him down and in but over the last few starts has had something mechanical get off a little to the point he can't hit his spot down and in. stats won't know that but a good manager will
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 20, 2018 21:22:23 GMT -5
I don't hate Snitker. I think there have been 8-9 times this season when I have commented directly about a decision he made that I really disagreed with. There have been what... 71 games? Lets round it off and maybe add in a couple of times I've forgotten and it's still easy to say that 80% of the time I don't say anything about what he has done. There have been several times when a decision he made wen't south and I didn't say a word about it being Snitker's fault for doing this or that. Now the times I have said something about Snitker making a bad decision, I think I've been pretty clear about exactly why I thought it was a bad decision and I've tried to back it up with factual stats like splits and prior results. So if I am unfair with those criticisms, then I welcome discussion about the specifics I mention. A manager is supposed to his job, but like many jobs you just don't hear about it when you just do what you should have done. You do hear about it though when you don't. Truly though... I wouldn't say the guy doesn't deserve consideration for manager of the year if this continues. I also wouldn't want him replaced unless I knew the specific name being considered. I really leave all that to AA and the organization. If though any manager we have makes a dumb move like forcing lefty/lefty matchups when 2 years of splits say its a bad move... I will point that out. If any manager we have brings Moylan in during a 1 run game because RHB/RHP matchup when righties are hitting him harder than lefties... I'll probably mention it. I tend to give managers a bit more leeway on who they use and when they use or don't use players. Because we have no idea what is going on with a player at any time. There is a lot more to being a manager than just playing by numbers. And pitchers are the worst at having Issues that don't show up in stats. A pitcher may have had success against a certain hitter in the past pitching him down and in but over the last few starts has had something mechanical get off a little to the point he can't hit his spot down and in. stats won't know that but a good manager will I completely agree with that. But I'll add that I have a hard time believing any manager can be that sharp when he makes a lot of really simple stupid mistakes. Like insisting on Dansby batting second right now. If a guy can't figure that out I find it hard to believe he's delving into really deep little intricacies like you described.
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 21, 2018 10:11:03 GMT -5
I tend to give managers a bit more leeway on who they use and when they use or don't use players. Because we have no idea what is going on with a player at any time. There is a lot more to being a manager than just playing by numbers. And pitchers are the worst at having Issues that don't show up in stats. A pitcher may have had success against a certain hitter in the past pitching him down and in but over the last few starts has had something mechanical get off a little to the point he can't hit his spot down and in. stats won't know that but a good manager will I completely agree with that. But I'll add that I have a hard time believing any manager can be that sharp when he makes a lot of really simple stupid mistakes. Like insisting on Dansby batting second right now. If a guy can't figure that out I find it hard to believe he's delving into really deep little intricacies like you described.
I get your point about Dansby here, but what are our options, really? Neither Dansby nor GAPOZ is getting the job done at the top of the order. You can move Ender back to leadoff, but who hits second? The fact is, they are all low OBP guys, certainly not ideal for top of the order spots. I suppose we could try Camargo there, but his speed is only average. Markakis isn't really an option at the top of the order, IMO. We just don't have a lot of good options at those spots right now, so we just have to be patient and hope the kids come around as the season progresses. Pinning this on Snit seems a bit shortsighted to me.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 21, 2018 10:36:12 GMT -5
I tend to give managers a bit more leeway on who they use and when they use or don't use players. Because we have no idea what is going on with a player at any time. There is a lot more to being a manager than just playing by numbers. And pitchers are the worst at having Issues that don't show up in stats. A pitcher may have had success against a certain hitter in the past pitching him down and in but over the last few starts has had something mechanical get off a little to the point he can't hit his spot down and in. stats won't know that but a good manager will I understand that there are things that might not show up in stats, but stats are a measurable that we use to gauge results. They are really the only tool we have and when this tool indicates over an extended period of time that something isn't working, yet it keeps being done, eventually it goes beyond maybe one or two individual situations where something unique might have been going on.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 21, 2018 12:07:13 GMT -5
I completely agree with that. But I'll add that I have a hard time believing any manager can be that sharp when he makes a lot of really simple stupid mistakes. Like insisting on Dansby batting second right now. If a guy can't figure that out I find it hard to believe he's delving into really deep little intricacies like you described.
I get your point about Dansby here, but what are our options, really? Neither Dansby nor GAPOZ is getting the job done at the top of the order. You can move Ender back to leadoff, but who hits second? The fact is, they are all low OBP guys, certainly not ideal for top of the order spots. I suppose we could try Camargo there, but his speed is only average. Markakis isn't really an option at the top of the order, IMO. We just don't have a lot of good options at those spots right now, so we just have to be patient and hope the kids come around as the season progresses. Pinning this on Snit seems a bit shortsighted to me. We definitely have an issue with having a good one two at the top of order right now. I originally thought Ozzie was a great leadoff hitter, obviously at first, but that's gotten really ugly for several reasons. I don't see Camargo as a leadoff hitter ideally, and I'm not sure if he's a great option batting second either. But at this point, given the whole picture, I do think he needs to be first or second simply because he's getting on base and the other guys at the top are not. And neither is Ender. Ender first then Camargo would be good if Ender was having a year like he did last year. I don't think Camargo is necessarily slow, and Markakis IS slow, but to me they need to be at the top of the order maybe right now. Because they're getting on base. If we want speed up there, hell, I'd be willing to hit Culberson first then Camargo second right now. I can't believe Culberson can maintain his offensive production, but as long as he's doing it and nobody else is, what the hell? One thing I do feel is a fact is that Dansby is not a good idea at the top and he's not getting it done (of course neither is Ozzie). Dansby has an OBP of .298 for the season and Ozzie's is .293. I mean damn!
Dansby in June:
.217/.239/.464/.703
Dansby batting second this year:
.208/.208/.358/.566
And he's 5 for his last 38 right now.
Ozzie in June:
.153/.187/.333/.520
Ender in June:
.230/.277/.328/.605
And that's with some super weak hits he eked out the past 3-4 games.
I looked, and Camargo only has a .299 OBP in June, but it is .346 for the season.
Charlie Culberson for June:
.309/.345/.527/.872
As nuts as it sounds I'd bat Charlie first for a few games and Camargo second. I guess then I would go Freeman, Markakis, Flozuki, Ozzie, Dansby then Inciarte.
We do have 6 supposedly weak games coming up, it could be a chance to give the top guys one last chance to come around, or a chance to try something completely different.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jun 21, 2018 15:19:03 GMT -5
I don’t understand the apprehension with having your best hitters hit at the top of the order, no matter who they are. There’s no clear cut lead off hitter, to be sure, but as things stand, today, tommorrow the lineup should be, while trying to take into account that Freeman is not moving out of the third spot
Inciarte Markakis Freeman Flowzuki Albies Camargo Swanson Culberson
And switch Tucker and Swanson if Tucker plays.
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